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Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
How alarmist rhetoric warps climate policy

The Australian
12:00AM August 26, 2017
Bjorn Lomborg

Promoting his climate change film An Inconvenient Sequel, former US vice-president Al Gore likes to say that the nightly news has become “a nature hike through the Book of Revelations”.

He’s not the only one touting an apocalypse. In a much-shared story, New York magazine warned that famine, economic collapse and “a sun that cooks us” will happen as soon as the end of this century, as “parts of the Earth will likely become uninhabitable, and other parts horrifically inhospitable”.

Even astrophysicist Stephen Hawking recently declared that US withdrawal from the Paris climate treaty “could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of 250 degrees (Celsius), and raining sulfuric acid”.

This is silly. Even the worst case scenarios from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show 5C-6C temperature increases, about 50 times less than Hawking fears.

The cost of weather damage is rising, but it’s because we’re richer. Since 1990, global weather damage adjusted for gross domestic product has declined. And because we’re richer and can afford better infrastructure, fewer people are dying. In the 1930s, droughts, floods, storms, wildfires and extreme temperatures globally killed almost 500,000 people every year. Today they kill fewer than 25,000 people. Despite the population trebling, we have seen a 95 per cent reduction in climate deaths.

The IPCC estimates that, by the 2070s, climate change may cost the world somewhere between 0.2 per cent to 2 per cent of GDP. That’s a problem, but by no means the end of the world. The IPCC finds that for most economic sectors, “the impact of climate change will be small relative to the impacts of other drivers” such as changes in population, age, income, technology, relative prices, lifestyle, regulation and governance.

Just pause and reflect on that. The UN organisation tasked with preparing for the risks of global warming warns that demographic changes and most other challenges are going to have a much bigger impact than climate change.

Global warming is an issue and one that we need to tackle, but the unglamorous truth is that it is by no means the biggest factor in our future wellbeing.


The reason for the over-the-top rhetoric is that climate policies are much more expensive than almost anyone is willing to go along with.

The Paris Agreement, supported by Gore and others, states that we should try to limit temperature increases to 1.5C. The evidence shows us this would require stopping all fossil fuel use in just four years. Humanity, which meets about 81 per cent of its energy needs with fossil fuels, would come to a standstill. People would starve: half the world’s population relies on food produced with nitrogen fertiliser, almost entirely processed with fossil fuels.

This extreme scenario is not going to happen. Study after study shows that most people are somewhat concerned about climate but only moderately interested in paying for a solution. In the US, the average annual willingness to pay is $US180 ($228) a household or $US70 a person. In China, it is $US30 a person a year. These are likely exaggerations, since people give a much bigger number when the question is hypothetical. Compared with the figure people say they would be willing to spend to offset CO2 emissions from flights each year, real-life travellers spend much less than 1 per cent.

The Paris Agreement will cost each American $US500 a year, each European $US600 and each Chinese person $US170. Despite rhetoric about keeping temperatures below 1.5C, these promises together will achieve almost nothing. By the UN’s own estimate, the Paris Agreement will reduce emissions by less than 1 per cent of what would be needed to keep temperature rises under 2C (a less ambitious target than 1.5C) yet will cost $US1 trillion to $2 trillion a year by 2030, mostly in reduced GDP growth. The treaty will deliver far less than most people expect, yet will cost much more than most people are willing to pay.

Achieving significant cuts would be much more expensive. For the EU to fulfil its promise of cutting emissions by 80 per cent in 2050 (the most ambitious climate policy in the world), the average of the best peer-reviewed models show that the cost would run to at least $US3 trillion a year, and more likely double that — meaning $US6000 for each EU citizen a year.

This helps explain why campaigners resort to painting ever-more catastrophic scenarios. Alarming predictions push us to devote more attention to climate policies — and, in the process, to spend more tax dollars on solar subsidies instead of healthcare, pension reform, libraries or education. People in the rich world — especially the poor, unemployed and elderly — are left paying for climate policies that will do little to fix the problem while leaving fewer resources for other issues.

The world’s poor are given an even worse deal. They are most vulnerable to climate change, but they are also the most vulnerable to a long list of health and development challenges that often go overlooked.

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Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
PT2.

Focusing just on climate means international concern and development spending is directed towards this rather than more pedestrian concerns such as tuberculosis, one of the leading causes of death in the world, where we could save 1.4 million lives every year for just $US8 billion. One-quarter of development now goes to “climate aid” — things such as ineffective off-grid solar panels. This is incredibly ineffective and not what the world’s poorest want: a UN global poll of nearly 10 million people finds climate to be the lowest policy priority, far behind education, food security and health.

Fostering a sense of panic doesn’t just distract us from other issues; it also means we don’t tackle climate change well. Economic studies show the right way forward is not subsidising inefficient solar panels, the mainstay of today’s climate spending, but to increase investment in green energy research and development to push down the cost below fossil fuels.

Over-the-top, alarmist rhetoric has a real cost. It encourages us to engage in phenomenally expensive and unhelpful climate policies while ignoring the smaller, cheaper and more realistic ways to respond to this and the challenges that will be much more pressing.


Bjorn Lomborg is director of the Copenhagen Consensus Centre and a visiting professor at the Copenhagen Business School.
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Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:23pm
 
Bjorn Lomborg is another fraud. Specialty: obfuscation.

5-6°C means 20–25m sea level rise. What a clown! The present 1.2°C temperature rise is destabilising the major ice sheets as it is. Be a heroic effort to keep temperature rise to 2°C.
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Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
Bjorn Lomborg is another fraud. Specialty: obfuscation.

Alarmist Zealot Deniers Please Shut UP!!!!!
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Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
Shut up because you say so?

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Reply #5 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 1:02pm
 
Nope.
because they are
Alarmist Warming Zealots...


We don't need closed minds that simply cant tolerate dissent or ignores science that contradicts their climate religion beliefs.

Lomborg made quite a few sensible logical common sense points that only a denier would
1 Refuse to read
2 Refuse to acknowledge
3 Make spurious claims about.

Guess that's YOU pegged eh Monk.
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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
He is just an obfuscator and is losing credibility rapidly.
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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
LOL
You saying stuff doesn't make it true Monk.
You have no credibility as a poster or would be moderator.
You refuse to debate and simply ignore facts and post baseless opinions.
Bjorn Lomborg has more credibility in his little finger than YOU will ever have Monk.
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Dr. Bjorn Lomborg is president of the Copenhagen Consensus Center and visiting professor at Copenhagen Business School. The Copenhagen Consensus Center is a think-tank that researches the smartest ways to do good. For this work, Lomborg was named one of TIME magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world. His numerous books include "The Skeptical Environmentalist", "Cool It", "How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place" and "The Nobel Laureates' Guide to the Smartest Targets for the World 2016-2030."

Your claim to fame?
The Greenhouse Effect is real and CO2 is gonna kill us all. Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 7:24am
 
Jacobshavn glacier:

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Jakobshavn glacier, responsible for feeding flotillas of icebergs into the Ilulissat icefjord — and possibly for unleashing the iceberg that sank the Titanic — is an enormous outlet for the larger Greenland ice sheet, which itself contains enough ice to raise seas by more than 20 feet.

Of that ice, more than 6 percent flows toward the ocean through Jakobshavn, which has raced inland since the 1990s, pouring ever more of its mass into the seas — a change that scientists believe has been caused by warming ocean temperatures. If all of the ice that flows through this region were to melt, it would raise global sea levels by nearly two feet. Just from 2000 to 2011, the ice loss through Jakobshavn alone caused the global sea level to rise by a millimeter.

The U.S. east coast in particular is already a “hot spot” for sea level rise, with rates in many areas exceeding the current global average of a little over 3 millimeters per year.

But until now, researchers have not been sure how far Jakobshavn’s ice extends below sea level — or how much deeper it gets further inland. That’s crucial because Jakobshavn is undergoing a dangerous “marine ice sheet instability,” in which oceanfront glaciers that grow deeper further inland are prone to unstoppable retreat down what scientists call a “retrograde” slope.

That’s where the new science comes in: Researchers who flew over Jakobshavn in a helicopter toting a gravimeter, used to detect the gravitational pull of the ice and deduce its mass, say they’ve found the glacier extends even deeper below sea level than previously realized, a configuration that sets the stage for further retreat.

“The way the bed looks, sort of makes it more prone to continuous retreat for decades to come,” said one of the study’s authors, Eric Rignot, a researcher with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of California-Irvine.

Rignot conducted the research with colleagues from his own institution, New York University, the University of Kansas, and Sander Geophysics, which makes the gravimeter used in the study. The study was led by Lu An of the University of California-Irvine, and published in Geophysical Research Letters.


Prof Rignot is the scientist talking in that video you need to watch, Booby.

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Full on retreat there!

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The study found that Jakobshavn is close to 0.7 miles thick where it currently touches the ocean (with only a little over a football field of ice rising above the water and the rest submerged). However, only about five to 10 miles inland toward the center of Greenland, the glacier grows considerably thicker and plunges deeper below sea level, eventually becoming over a mile thick, with nearly a mile of that mass extending below the sea surface. Moreover, the glacier is deep over a vast area.

Along most of that distance, the ice will get steadily deeper and thicker, favoring faster retreat. The glacier front is currently moving backward at about a third of a mile per year, and so will plunge into these deeper regions over the course of coming decades.

The greater depth of Jakobshavn matters for at least two reasons. As it retreats, Jakobshavn will present a thicker ice front to the warm ocean, leading to even greater ice flow and loss. Meanwhile, the depth itself favors increased ice loss because at the extreme pressures involved, the freezing point of ice itself actually changes, making it more susceptible to melting by relatively warm seawater in the deepest part of the fjord.


Warm seawater, same as around Antarctica.

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The deep passageway below Jakobshavn also underscores that, like another enormous Greenland glacier (the far northern Petermann glacier), this outlet connects with a vast and submerged system of canyons that deeply undercut Greenland and travel to its center beneath the ice sheet.

“It’s a direct conduit to the heart of Greenland,” Rignot said. (For a NASA video showing the two vast canyons beneath Greenland’s ice, one connected to Jakobshavn and one to Petermann, see here.)

A few simple calculations help underscore why a further retreat — and accompanying thickening — of Jakobshavn glacier could be such a problem.

Greenland is the world’s largest contributor to sea level rise — according to NASA, it is contributing 281 billion tons of ice to the ocean every year, nearly enough to cause 1 millimeter of sea level rise annually. (It takes 360 billion tons to do that.) That’s from all the various Greenland glaciers and from general melting of the ice sheet that then runs off into the ocean — but Jakobshavn is the single biggest ice loser.


Prof Rignot mentioned that the Petermann glacier is starting to show signs of destabilisation, leading to even more rapid sea rises! The opposite of what we expect in an ice age! Why, it is almost as if we are not in an ice age at all!

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Reply #9 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:16am
 
here ya go....  get some facts and balance in you life

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Reply #10 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:19am
 
Monks reference group...

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Reply #11 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:21am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:16am:
here ya go....  get some facts and balance in you life

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/climate-change-facts-book.jpg



I only recognise one name on that list, Bolt.
If the others are of the same calibre than Goose should be ashamed of himself for ever suggesting it contained 'facts'

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Reply #12 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:44am
 
roach is a fact–free zone!

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Reply #13 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:34am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:21am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:16am:
here ya go....  get some facts and balance in you life

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/climate-change-facts-book.jpg



I only recognise one name on that list, Bolt.
If the others are of the same calibre than Goose should be ashamed of himself for ever suggesting it contained 'facts'

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I see Plimer and JoNova on that list. Couple of frauds. Plimer is supposed to have written a book—pretty obviously some denier wrote it because Plimer didn’t know where anything was in his book at the release ceremony. His central tenet that volcanoes emitted more CO2 than mankind is so wrong as to be pitiable. Obviously—nice little retirement booster for Ian.

Wattsup is a pitiable website devoted to AGW denialism.
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Reply #14 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 11:35am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:21am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:16am:
here ya go....  get some facts and balance in you life

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/climate-change-facts-book.jpg



I only recognise one name on that list, Bolt.
If the others are of the same calibre than Goose should be ashamed of himself for ever suggesting it contained 'facts'

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


John Smith shows his knowledge. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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