Australian Politics Forum - Islam-inspired racism

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #540 - Apr 15^th, 2018 at 8:47pm The diseases you are talking about when you blame Europeans for millions of deaths. When do they stop being European diseases Gandalf?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #541 - Apr 15^th, 2018 at 8:56pm I see, future tense. Its a point in time thing FD.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #542 - Apr 15^th, 2018 at 9:00pm Oh look. An evasive Muslim. When do they stop being European diseases Gandalf?
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Reply #543 - Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:26am

No really FD, thats a direct answer. It really is a simple application of common sense. You should try it some day.

If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.

Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.

And it certainly doesn't help when you just fabricate stuff like accusing me of assuming it remains "European" forever, and on that basis its "convenient racism" or whatever.

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Reply #544 - Apr 16^th, 2018 at 12:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:26am:

No really FD, thats a direct answer. It really is a simple application of common sense. You should try it some day.

If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.

Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.

And it certainly doesn't help when you just fabricate stuff like accusing me of assuming it remains "European" forever, and on that basis its "convenient racism" or whatever.

More Muslim evasion, FD. What do you think of jellyfish who refuse to express their views?

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Reply #545 - Apr 16^th, 2018 at 7:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:26am:

No really FD, thats a direct answer. It really is a simple application of common sense. You should try it some day.

If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.

Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.

And it certainly doesn't help when you just fabricate stuff like accusing me of assuming it remains "European" forever, and on that basis its "convenient racism" or whatever.

So when you blame Europeans for millions of deaths in the Americas due to European disease, you actually mean millions of individual Europeans each raping individual native Americans and giving the disease to them?

Or is this a very stretchy "point in time"?

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Reply #546 - Apr 16^th, 2018 at 7:40pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 12:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:26am:

No really FD, thats a direct answer. It really is a simple application of common sense. You should try it some day.

If an arab person travels to Europe with a disease they contracted in Arabia, its an arab disease. If a European person infects someone in America with a disease they contracted in Europe, its a European disease.

Its really not relevant what happens after that, or even before that. The disease could have been developed on the moon for all I care. Like I said, its a point in time thing.

And it certainly doesn't help when you just fabricate stuff like accusing me of assuming it remains "European" forever, and on that basis its "convenient racism" or whatever.

More Muslim evasion, FD. What do you think of jellyfish who refuse to express their views?

FD? You've evaded the question.

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Reply #547 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 10:27am

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

So when you blame Europeans for millions of deaths in the Americas due to European disease, you actually mean millions of individual Europeans each raping individual native Americans and giving the disease to them?

Or is this a very stretchy "point in time"?

Millions of people died in the Americas because the Europeans invaded, raped and pillaged their lands. A fair proportion (though I don't know exactly how much) died from diseases spread by the Europeans. But a good deal also from other things like starvation, forced labour and just good old fashioned murder. Are you going to dispute that?

I'll let you argue the toss over who is to "blame" or morally responsible for that.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #548 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 12:00pm Is that a yes or a no gandalf? Most of the deaths were due to disease.
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Reply #549 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

I explained what I meant FD. You can't dispute it, thats why you persist with these childish games.

Do you acknowledge millions died because European invaded, raped and pillaged the Americas? Don't worry FD, you are free to evade that like you always do.

Who'd have thought it would be such a trauma to acknowledge the devastation caused by invasion, rape and pillage?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islam-inspired racism Reply #550 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:18pm Are you conceding that most did not die of European diseases? Does that mean you no longer think Europeans are to blame?
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Reply #551 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:02pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:18pm:

Are you conceding that most did not die of European diseases? Does that mean you no longer think Europeans are to blame?

Why would you say that?

Millions died because the Europeans invaded, raped and pillaged the Americas. I don't know the exact breakdown of the deaths, but its reasonable to assume most died from the diseases the Europeans brought and spread. But plenty died from other related causes - like starvation, forced labor and just plain murder. Agreed?

And in case its not clear, I blame Europeans for all of the deaths. Wacist I know.

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Reply #552 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:18pm:

Are you conceding that most did not die of European diseases? Does that mean you no longer think Europeans are to blame?

Why would you say that?

Millions died because the Europeans invaded, raped and pillaged the Americas. I don't know the exact breakdown of the deaths, but its reasonable to assume most died from the diseases the Europeans brought and spread. Agreed?

And in case its not clear, I blame Europeans for all of the deaths. Wacist I know.

It wasn't rape and pillage to the Europeans. It was conquest. The same thing humans have been doing since year dot.

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Reply #553 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:12pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:18pm:

Are you conceding that most did not die of European diseases? Does that mean you no longer think Europeans are to blame?

Why would you say that?

Millions died because the Europeans invaded, raped and pillaged the Americas. I don't know the exact breakdown of the deaths, but its reasonable to assume most died from the diseases the Europeans brought and spread. Agreed?

And in case its not clear, I blame Europeans for all of the deaths. Wacist I know.

It wasn't rape and pillage to the Europeans. It was conquest. The same thing humans have been doing since year dot.

Yes, Homo, but are you saying they spread European diseases during their conquests, or Arab ones?

Please explain?

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Reply #554 - Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:33pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 2:18pm:

Are you conceding that most did not die of European diseases? Does that mean you no longer think Europeans are to blame?

Why would you say that?

Millions died because the Europeans invaded, raped and pillaged the Americas. I don't know the exact breakdown of the deaths, but its reasonable to assume most died from the diseases the Europeans brought and spread. Agreed?

And in case its not clear, I blame Europeans for all of the deaths. Wacist I know.

It wasn't rape and pillage to the Europeans. It was conquest. The same thing humans have been doing since year dot.

Yes, Homo, but are you saying they spread European diseases during their conquests, or Arab ones?

Please explain?

Not intentionally. Do you sit up all night crying when you pass the flu on to somebody babe?

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Question: Is saying "Arabs are responsible for diseases spread by Arabs, just like Europeans are responsible for diseases spread by Europeans" blatant racism?
yes 3 (23.1%) no 1 (7.7%) yes - but only against whites 1 (7.7%) not racist - WAAAACIST! 1 (7.7%) what an idiotic question 7 (53.8%) Total votes: 13 « Last Modified by: polite_gandalf on: Jan 9^th, 2018 at 8:07am »