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Reply #315 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc. As for conservative muslim migration, it is different. Like I said, for one the numbers we are talking about are much larger than the Greeks or Vietnamese, in the world. Secondly, extremity of the situation in the Islamic world tells me the difference in opinion and level of illiberal views is much higher. Lastly, the same segregation in communities is happening, and when you end up having rallies of people crying about cartoons, who happen to be second generation and not first, then I don't see this as any success story that tells us we should encourage even greater immigration, without looking at what's not going right at the moment.

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Reply #316 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

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Re: Islam-inspired racism
Reply #317 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:14am

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

Im not against multiculturism. I'm against multiculturism in its current form. Why? Because unfortunately it doesn't work, and its surface based too.

Hey, if we could have integration programs in place that ensure conservative Muslims part ways with their illiberal views then I'm all for it. But as it stands what's going to happen? Segregated communities, fractured societies, completely different lifestyles depending on which suburb you're in. That's good? I don't think so.

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Reply #318 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:40am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

Im not against multiculturism. I'm against multiculturism in its current form. Why? Because unfortunately it doesn't work, and its surface based too.

Hey, if we could have integration programs in place that ensure conservative Muslims part ways with their illiberal views then I'm all for it. But as it stands what's going to happen? Segregated communities, fractured societies, completely different lifestyles depending on which suburb you're in. That's good? I don't think so.

One Nation says that too, Alevine. So does FD's SustainBility Party - the program that aims to eradicate tinted inbred retards.

They may have merged into One Nation by now, I'm not sure. FD should be able to inform us.

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Reply #319 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:30am

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

Im not against multiculturism. I'm against multiculturism in its current form. Why? Because unfortunately it doesn't work, and its surface based too.

Hey, if we could have integration programs in place that ensure conservative Muslims part ways with their illiberal views then I'm all for it. But as it stands what's going to happen? Segregated communities, fractured societies, completely different lifestyles depending on which suburb you're in. That's good? I don't think so.

One Nation says that too, Alevine. So does FD's SustainBility Party - the program that aims to eradicate tinted inbred retards.

They may have merged into One Nation by now, I'm not sure. FD should be able to inform us.

Identity politics now, karnal? Another typical regressive left characteristic.

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Reply #320 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:46am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

Im not against multiculturism. I'm against multiculturism in its current form. Why? Because unfortunately it doesn't work, and its surface based too.

Hey, if we could have integration programs in place that ensure conservative Muslims part ways with their illiberal views then I'm all for it. But as it stands what's going to happen? Segregated communities, fractured societies, completely different lifestyles depending on which suburb you're in. That's good? I don't think so.

One Nation says that too, Alevine. So does FD's SustainBility Party - the program that aims to eradicate tinted inbred retards.

They may have merged into One Nation by now, I'm not sure. FD should be able to inform us.

Identity politics now, karnal? Another typical regressive left characteristic.

Pauline says that too, Alevine. "Identity politics".

I think she got it off Andrew Bolt. You?

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Reply #321 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:38pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:46am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 3:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Sorry, Alevine, I didn't see your post. It's good that you are keen to stay and chat.

So you don't mean terrorism, then we agree. But I'm a bit confused about the democracy part. Are you referring to Muslims breeding conservatives who will take over the government?

The Greeks didn't do that, unless you count Nick Xenaphon. The Chows didn't do it either, unless you mean butch leftards like Penny Wong. We already have two Muslims in parliament, and they're both leftards too.

What do you mean by a fractured society?

Shurely you don't mean tinted?

Everything has to do with tinted with you, Karnal. Why are you so obsessed about people's skins?

Of course I don't mean conservative muslims are terrorists. Terrorists tend to be jihadists. Conservative muslims are people who, at the presnet moment, tend to believe the illiberal Islam version that is plaguing the Islamic world. And I'm glad you mention the Greek community and the Vietnamese community. For one, the numbers of people, as mothra likes to always tell us, are not nearly the same within the world. Nor is the extremity in views held. I would also say that while things are definitely better than they used to be, at least in melbourne there is still segregation within communities and the vietnamese very much so tend to still live amongst other vietnamese. Now, you might think that's a wonderful thing because you can get wonderful Pho and Bahn Mi, but I'd say that's actually bad for both the Vietnamese people, and the wider community. Proper multiculturam isn't about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi in one specific area of Melbourne. It's about having an abundance of good Bahn Mi absolutely everywhere, and mixed amongst other great foods etc etc etc.

You haven't seen Luke Nguyen on the Tele? He's made Vietnamese food famous around the world, via Australia. His restaurant in Surry Hills pioneered Vietnamese/European fusion. This even caught on in Vietnam.

It's now old hat, so to speak.

I must say though, I'm a tad surprised you've now turned your back on multiculturalism. You were a fervent admirer back in the day. Would you like to say what really happened?

Imagine the old Alevine reading his Hansonesque views of today. You would have chased yourself around for pages. Seriously, what changed?

Im not against multiculturism. I'm against multiculturism in its current form. Why? Because unfortunately it doesn't work, and its surface based too.

Hey, if we could have integration programs in place that ensure conservative Muslims part ways with their illiberal views then I'm all for it. But as it stands what's going to happen? Segregated communities, fractured societies, completely different lifestyles depending on which suburb you're in. That's good? I don't think so.

One Nation says that too, Alevine. So does FD's SustainBility Party - the program that aims to eradicate tinted inbred retards.

They may have merged into One Nation by now, I'm not sure. FD should be able to inform us.

Identity politics now, karnal? Another typical regressive left characteristic.

Pauline says that too, Alevine. "Identity politics".

I think she got it off Andrew Bolt. You?

If Pauline Hanson is concerned about identity politics then I agree with her.

Let's see how many times you can cut and rearrange to make it look like I'm a Pauline Hanson voter Wink

. Dishonest. Why do you feel you need to be dishonest, karnal? Is your argument so lacking?

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Reply #323 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

'Identity politics' - a fabrication of the right - has become the new catchphrase to replace the old "political correctness gone mad".

Looks like we've found ourselves a gen-u-wine reactionary here, G. Bolt/John Howard references, Pauline, "fragmentation".

Not that that there's anything wrong with that, but why do you think he hides it so?

Now I know why FD doesn't answer questions.

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Reply #324 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

'Identity politics' - a fabrication of the right - has become the new catchphrase to replace the old "political correctness gone mad".

Now who's being ironic?

Actually, identity politics is not a fabrication of the right. Would you not agree that that there is a problem when we are told to agree with a specific argument on the basis of whether we believe we are liberal or conservative? Being one or the other does not define my position on every single issue, and every issue deserves to be assessed based on rationale and facts, not based on whether I would therefore agree with Barack Obama or Donald trump. Similarly, agreeing with a person on one issue does not mean I agree with everything from that person. "a rascist worries about identity politics therefore if you worry about identity politics you too must be a rascist" is NOT a valid argument, ever. Same as saying that because I support a basic income therefore I must be a socialist therefore I must love Stalin, is NOT a valid argument, ever. Similar, in part, to someone saying, "Gandalf is a Muslim therefore he must agree with ISIS is NOT a valid argument, ever.

All of this just further demonstrates karnals dishonesty. But then, we all know how dishonest he is.

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Reply #325 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

'Identity politics' - a fabrication of the right - has become the new catchphrase to replace the old "political correctness gone mad".

Looks like we've found ourselves a gen-u-wine reactionary here, G. Bolt/John Howard references, Pauline, "fragmentation".

Not that that there's anything wrong with that, but why do you think he hides it so?

Now I know why FD doesn't answer questions.

Hide what, dear? If Pauline Hanson or Howard or bolt talk about multiculturism how i do then we agree on this one particular issue. Do I also agree with them on how to resolve the issue? Tell me, dear, you seem to know who said what when.

A person sharing a view does not invalidate that view. What I'm more interested in is why you would try and shame someone rather than argue the actual issue? I'd like to hear more anecdotes from you about famous Vietnamese chefs. Your hollow arguments are always really fun to read.

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Reply #326 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:36pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

'Identity politics' - a fabrication of the right - has become the new catchphrase to replace the old "political correctness gone mad".

Looks like we've found ourselves a gen-u-wine reactionary here, G. Bolt/John Howard references, Pauline, "fragmentation".

Not that that there's anything wrong with that, but why do you think he hides it so?

Now I know why FD doesn't answer questions.

Hide what, dear? If Pauline Hanson or Howard or bolt talk about multiculturism how i do then we agree on this one particular issue. .

Ah.

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Reply #327 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:37pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

'Identity politics' - a fabrication of the right - has become the new catchphrase to replace the old "political correctness gone mad".

Looks like we've found ourselves a gen-u-wine reactionary here, G. Bolt/John Howard references, Pauline, "fragmentation".

Not that that there's anything wrong with that, but why do you think he hides it so?

Now I know why FD doesn't answer questions.

Hide what, dear? If Pauline Hanson or Howard or bolt talk about multiculturism how i do then we agree on this one particular issue. .

Ah.

No more Vietnamese chefs to talk about, dishonest?

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Reply #328 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:53pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Similar, in part, to someone saying, "Gandalf is a Muslim therefore he must agree with ISIS is NOT a valid argument, ever.

Well its nice to hear you say that. Actually, the arguments that we do hear surrounding Gandalf and ISIS are instructive here. They range from "Gandalf is a muslim therefore must agree with ISIS" to "Gandalf disagrees with ISIS not over fundamental ideology, but over end game strategies" (or in other words, ISIS to Gandalf is nothing more than a PR embarrassment).

But what it does highlight, interestingly, is how much the people who attack me here rely on identity politics to sustain their attacks. Indeed their understanding of Islam itself is as a political ideology. For them, the idea that a muslim can exist with an identity outside their 'hive mind' ISIS-like stereotype, all as one mind to establish the caliphate and destroy all non-muslims - is unfathomable. To them, individual muslims differ only in the type of strategy they want to employ to kill all non-muslims. So getting back to the point, there is obviously no scope for any muslim to believe in peace and coexistence with non-muslims, no scope for any muslim to be trully morally outraged by terrorism, support gay rights etc etc. In fact its difficult to think of a more stark example where identity politics is employed - than the attacks you see here against muslims.

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Reply #329 - Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Similar, in part, to someone saying, "Gandalf is a Muslim therefore he must agree with ISIS is NOT a valid argument, ever.

Well its nice to hear you say that. Actually, the arguments that we do hear surrounding Gandalf and ISIS are instructive here. They range from "Gandalf is a muslim therefore must agree with ISIS" to "Gandalf disagrees with ISIS not over fundamental ideology, but over end game strategies" (or in other words, ISIS to Gandalf is nothing more than a PR embarrassment).

But what it does highlight, interestingly, is how much the people who attack me here rely on identity politics to sustain their attacks. Indeed their understanding of Islam itself is as a political ideology. For them, the idea that a muslim can exist with an identity outside their 'hive mind' ISIS-like stereotype, all as one mind to establish the caliphate and destroy all non-muslims - is unfathomable. To them, individual muslims differ only in the type of strategy they want to employ to kill all non-muslims. So getting back to the point, there is obviously no scope for any muslim to believe in peace and coexistence with non-muslims, no scope for any muslim to be trully morally outraged by terrorism, support gay rights etc etc. In fact its difficult to think of a more stark example where identity politics is employed - than the attacks you see here against muslims.

In 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to call on Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Have the Koran and the Laws of the Prophet changed since then?

No.

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