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Reply #90 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm
 
No, I think you are a dull little plod with no idea about technical/scientific matters but terrified by AGW.

Good orderly room clerk maybe.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #91 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:42pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm:
No, I think you are a dull little plod with no idea about technical/scientific matters but terrified by AGW.

Good orderly room clerk maybe.


Actually that's the problem. You don't think. That's why I believe you more a bureaucrat. Your "knowledge" comes from around the water cooler. No BSc for you.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #92 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:51pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:53pm:
Moriaty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:39pm:
And how "likely" is the increase in output vs CO2 emissions?


Likely.

How likely an increase in wind generated electricity with more wind? Wink


Are you able to answer any question with actual numbers?

Or will you admit defeat, utter and total, by simply waffling on about crap?

Numbers, dollars, statistics, Lee. Anything less and you admit you're a total failure.  Kiss
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #93 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Moriaty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:51pm:
Are you able to answer any question with actual numbers?

Or will you admit defeat, utter and total, by simply waffling on about crap?

Numbers, dollars, statistics, Lee. Anything less and you admit you're a total failure.



You mean I should quote numbers just like you? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #94 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:00pm
 
Lees has no answers. Lees just has this overwhelming fear about AGW.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #95 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:02pm
 
Moriaty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Note that the same storms that caused wind turbines to shut down and lock in, also smashed the transmission grid in SA recently thereby cutting off the coal and gas powered gen.



Yeah. The wind turbines shut down, put excessive load on the grid. Heywood interconnector broke. The SA grid couldn't cope and THEN the transmission lines went down. Read the AEMO report. Wink
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Reply #96 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm
 
Lees claims to have served in an “electric/electronic + cipher unit” which someone who had served in such a unit would have described as a signals unit.

That was not the first clue that Lees did not have a clue what he was talking about: he thought the “greening of the deserts” caused more CO2.

I think when Lees said “don’t you recognise sarcasm” he had actually realised he had made a big mistake.
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Reply #97 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:14pm
 
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which had surrounded the Neart na Gaoithe offshore wind farm. The UK’s Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) has been trying valiantly to prevent the construction of as much as 2.3 gigawatts (GW) worth of offshore wind off the coast of Scotland, due to concerns over the impact on migratory seabirds. In July of 2016, a judge in the Outer Court of Session in Scotland revoked consent for four separate wind farms — the 600-megawatt (MW) Inch Cape Offshore wind farm, the 450 MW Neart Na Gaoithe offshore wind farm, and the 525 MW (each) Seagreen Alpha and Bravo projects. This May, however, the Inner House at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, Scotland, overturned the July revocation. . . .

“It will create more than 500 direct jobs during construction and over 100 direct permanent jobs once operational.  £540 million will be directly invested in Scotland during the construction phase with a further £610m during the operational phase.”



https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/21/go-ahead-given-450-mw-neart-na-gaoithe-offs...

Wish we could do something like that! In Backstairs Passage between Kangaroo Is and the mainland would be a great place. Jobs and investment, clean power.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #98 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:42pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:27pm:
No, I think you are a dull little plod with no idea about technical/scientific matters but terrified by AGW.

Good orderly room clerk maybe.


Actually that's the problem. You don't think. That's why I believe you more a bureaucrat. Your "knowledge" comes from around the water cooler. No BSc for you.

Sorry Lees but 1971 there I was in gown and cap getting my BSc from some notables at Adelaide University.

I even tried to help you with theory and null hypotheses etc, you could have learned something but you were terrified that by listening to me you might learn something about AGW I suppose.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #99 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:11pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:17pm:
Sorry Lees but 1971 there I was in gown and cap getting my BSc from some notables at Adelaide University.



So you slipped some people some money. Not hat big a deal to pass then.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:17pm:
even tried to help you with theory and null hypotheses e



And this proves a BSc how? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #100 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:20pm
 
I have a BSc and you have this huge fear of AGW.

You thought when leaves were rotting on the ground and trees etc dormant the CO2 was at a minimum. No tech knowledge, no ability to think either.
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Reply #101 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:20pm:
I have a BSc



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BWCK - Bachelor of Water Cooler Knowledge. Wink
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Reply #102 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 3:16pm
 
Think that if it makes you happy. It isn’t true but if it makes you happy.
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Reply #103 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 6:09pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:02pm:
Moriaty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Note that the same storms that caused wind turbines to shut down and lock in, also smashed the transmission grid in SA recently thereby cutting off the coal and gas powered gen.



Yeah. The wind turbines shut down, put excessive load on the grid. Heywood interconnector broke. The SA grid couldn't cope and THEN the transmission lines went down. Read the AEMO report. Wink


Not quite, Corporal Lees, Orderly Room clerk:

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On Wednesday 28 September 2016, tornadoes with wind speeds in the range of 190–260 km/h occurred in areas of South Australia. Two tornadoes almost simultaneously damaged a single circuit 275 kilovolt (kV) transmission line and a double circuit 275 kV transmission line, some 170 km apart. The damage to these three transmission lines caused them to trip, and a sequence of faults in quick succession resulted in six voltage dips on the SA grid over a two-minute period at around 4.16 pm.

As the number of faults on the transmission network grew, nine wind farms in the mid north of SA exhibited a sustained reduction in power as a protection feature activated. For eight of these wind farms, the protection settings of their wind turbines allowed them to withstand a pre-set number of voltage dips within a two-minute period. Activation of this protection feature resulted in a significant sustained power reduction for these wind farms.

A sustained generation reduction of 456 megawatts (MW) occurred over a period of less than seven seconds. The reduction in wind farm output caused a significant increase in imported power flowing through the Heywood Interconnector. Approximately 700 milliseconds (ms) after the reduction of output from the last of the wind farms, the flow on the Victoria–SA Heywood Interconnector reached such a level that it activated a special protection scheme that tripped the interconnector offline.

The SA power system then became separated (“islanded”) from the rest of the NEM. Without any substantial load shedding following the system separation, the remaining generation was much less than the connected load and unable to maintain the islanded system frequency. As a result, all supply to the SA region was lost at 4.18 pm (the Black System).

AEMO’s analysis shows that following system separation, frequency collapse and the consequent Black System was inevitable.


https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/Files/Electricity/NEM/Market_Notices_and_Events/...

Yet another lie by Corporal Lees. Tornadoes came first.
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Re: 2GW windpower offshore of Scotland
Reply #104 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Yet another lie by Corporal Lees. Tornadoes came first.



Which is quite different to the update to the preliminary report.

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Data now shows that nine of the 13 wind farms online at the time of the event did not ride through the six voltage disturbances, resulting in a loss of 445 MW of generation. Preliminary discussions with wind farm operators suggest this inability to ride through all disturbances was due to ‘voltage ride-through’ settings set to disconnect or reduce turbine output when between three to six disturbances are detected within a defined time period.

Thermal generators remained connected up until the SA system disconnected from the remainder of the National Electricity Market (NEM). The Heywood Interconnector remained connected up until the sudden increase in electricity flow resulting from the loss of generation caused the automatic protection mechanism to disconnect the lines.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Media-Centre/Update-to-report-into-SA-state-wide-power-o...

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Generation initially rode through the faults, but at 16:18hrs, following multiple faults in a short period, 315 MW of wind generation disconnected, affecting the region north of Adelaide. The uncontrolled reduction in generation increased the flow on the main Victorian interconnector (Heywood) to make up the deficit and resulted in the interconnector overloading.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Media-Centre/Media-Statement-South-Australia-Interim-Rep...

Not being in SA I was not aware of the new improved report. Wink

But you go ahead and apply labels. You do it so well. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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