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Reply #150 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:18am
 
I have learnt Buddhist regard for all life. 
GEE BWIAN I LEARNED THAT WITHOUT BUDDIST HAVING TO COME HERE.  RECENTLY I'VE NOTICED THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ROHINGYAS...  DID YOU NOTICE THAT BWIAN?

I have learnt Confucianism's honouring of our elders and ancestors.  I have learnt the Arabic ideas of hospitality.   I have learnt how to cook a mean Vietnamese/Indian style of curry.   They have learnt from me, how to be a larriken, how to have fun, how to study and how to protest about things which are wrong, Soren.
LOL...  YOU ARE A FOOL BWIAN.
AUSTRALIA HAS DEVELOPED A CULTURE AND A VERY GOOD CULTURE, I WOULD RATHER BE AUSTRALIAN THAN ANY OTHER NATIONALITY I CAN THINK OF BWIAN.  FEEL FREE TO MIGRATE.  I'M SURE THAT WOULD MAKE MANY HAPPY.

To you, it must always be in one direction when in reality the learning process, the assimilation is a two way street.   We all learn from one another.   
IF YOU COME HERE TO AUSTRALIA BWIAN YOU COME HERE TO BE AUSTRALIAN.  NOT SOME OTHER NATIONALITY BWIAN.

I have learnt to appreciate Italian/Greek/French/Danish/German/Hungarian/Turkish/Lebanese/Iraqi/Iranian/Paki
stani/Indian/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan/Malaysia/Chinese/Vietnamese/Japanese/Korean styles of cooking and cuisine, Soren.    I have taught people how to do a fine BBQ, how to appreciate fine wines and beers.   You focus too much on how inferior all those cultures are, yet you do not appreciate if they are inferior, then they can learn from your and you're representation of  your supposedly superior culture.   If it is learning how to hate, denigrate and disparage people, that is.    Roll Eyes
I DON'T THINK IN TERMS OF INFERIOR OR SUPERIOR BWIAN, IT'S REALLY NOT THE AUSTRALIAN WAY.  PITY YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED THAT YET.  I DON'T CRINGE ABOUT MY COUNTRY OR ITS PEOPLE... UNLIKE YOU BWIAN. I DON'T DENY WE HAVE A UNIQUE CULTURE BWIAN.  I DON'T MAKE RIDICULOUS STEREOTYPES LIKE YOU DO EITHER.
IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO COOK FOOD FROM OTHER COUNTRIES...  BUY A RECIPE BOOK...  NO MIGRATION REQUIRED.  NOR DO WE NEED TO IMPORT PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD TODAY TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND OTHER NATIONALITIES AND THEIR CULTURES.
YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU DO NOT VALUE OUR CULTURE AS MUCH AS YOU VALUE EVERYONE ELSES.  THAT IS SAD AND PATHETIC.

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Reply #151 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:51am:
You don't  need to import millions of exotic people to learn about their culture's. You can visit their countries, you can visit a library.


Except, Soren, how will they learn about your culture, with its hatred and disparaging of all other cultures?

It is better to have some members of each culture, so it is possible to experience/question them directly, Soren.   Your hatred just sounds like the cries of a despondent Gull out on the Ocean, crying for it's mate.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

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And I don't see the Indians, Africans, Arabs and Chinese intermixing with each other.


We know you don't get out much, Soren.   Time you went out and intermixed with the rest of Australian society.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #152 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:18am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 5:14pm:
It is not enriching anything. Adding dog shite to everything in the name of diversity doesn't make anything better.


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Really, Soren?   Tsk, tsk, you really are an ungracious person fool, aren't you?  No pride in being a Dane?  Of course not, that'd be admitting that Multiculturalism allows good things, even for you, hey?    Roll Eyes


What was Western culture missing that has been corrected and improved by Muslims, Hindus, Chinese, Africans?



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Tsk, tsk.  Poor, poor, Soren.  You seem to be, on one hand, assuming that Multiculturalism is about correcting a fault or faults in Western culture, while on the other hand, you're claiming that it allows different cultures to never interact with one another.   I do wish you'd make your mind up and be consistent in your views.  It'd make life just so much easier, you realise?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Multiculturalism allows all cultures to co-exist, side-by-side, Soren.   They are allowed to intermix at the same time as well.   They compliment one another.   Some people might like Confucianism and Buddhism with their Lebanese or Indian or Gasp!  Even Danish food.    Some people like Catholicism's religiosity to go with their Vietnamese dress.   Some others might like African food to go with their Danish culture.   It's all mixed up, in one giant Multicultural, cosmopolitan culture.    Time you got onboard, Soren.  Otherwise you are going to be left ever further behind as the rest of the Australian society embraces Multiculturalism.   Roll Eyes

I don't  really want to intermix with Muslims, Africans, Chinese every day.
When I do I buy an plane ticket or a cookbook.



Lucky you.  When are you leaving?  I'll be at the airport to see you off.  I promise!   Smiley
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Reply #153 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Trolling again bwian...  cant argue the facts eh.
It has ever been so with you hasn't it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

How are we enriched by Multiculti?
Hmmm?

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Reply #154 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
One mote time for poor widdle bwian...

Grendel wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 11:18am:
I have learnt Buddhist regard for all life. 
GEE BWIAN I LEARNED THAT WITHOUT BUDDIST HAVING TO COME HERE.  RECENTLY I'VE NOTICED THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ROHINGYAS...  DID YOU NOTICE THAT BWIAN?

I have learnt Confucianism's honouring of our elders and ancestors.  I have learnt the Arabic ideas of hospitality.   I have learnt how to cook a mean Vietnamese/Indian style of curry.   They have learnt from me, how to be a larriken, how to have fun, how to study and how to protest about things which are wrong, Soren.
LOL...  YOU ARE A FOOL BWIAN.
AUSTRALIA HAS DEVELOPED A CULTURE AND A VERY GOOD CULTURE, I WOULD RATHER BE AUSTRALIAN THAN ANY OTHER NATIONALITY I CAN THINK OF BWIAN.  FEEL FREE TO MIGRATE.  I'M SURE THAT WOULD MAKE MANY HAPPY.

To you, it must always be in one direction when in reality the learning process, the assimilation is a two way street.   We all learn from one another.   
IF YOU COME HERE TO AUSTRALIA BWIAN YOU COME HERE TO BE AUSTRALIAN.  NOT SOME OTHER NATIONALITY BWIAN.

I have learnt to appreciate Italian/Greek/French/Danish/German/Hungarian/Turkish/Lebanese/Iraqi/Iranian/Paki
stani/Indian/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan/Malaysia/Chinese/Vietnamese/Japanese/Korean styles of cooking and cuisine, Soren.    I have taught people how to do a fine BBQ, how to appreciate fine wines and beers.   You focus too much on how inferior all those cultures are, yet you do not appreciate if they are inferior, then they can learn from your and you're representation of  your supposedly superior culture.   If it is learning how to hate, denigrate and disparage people, that is.    Roll Eyes
I DON'T THINK IN TERMS OF INFERIOR OR SUPERIOR BWIAN, IT'S REALLY NOT THE AUSTRALIAN WAY.  PITY YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED THAT YET.  I DON'T CRINGE ABOUT MY COUNTRY OR ITS PEOPLE... UNLIKE YOU BWIAN. I DON'T DENY WE HAVE A UNIQUE CULTURE BWIAN.  I DON'T MAKE RIDICULOUS STEREOTYPES LIKE YOU DO EITHER.
IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO COOK FOOD FROM OTHER COUNTRIES...  BUY A RECIPE BOOK...  NO MIGRATION REQUIRED.  NOR DO WE NEED TO IMPORT PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD TODAY TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND OTHER NATIONALITIES AND THEIR CULTURES.
YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU DO NOT VALUE OUR CULTURE AS MUCH AS YOU VALUE EVERYONE ELSES.  THAT IS SAD AND PATHETIC.


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Reply #155 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:51am:
You don't  need to import millions of exotic people to learn about their culture's. You can visit their countries, you can visit a library.


Except, Soren, how will they learn about your culture, with its hatred and disparaging of all other cultures?

It is better to have some members of each culture, so it is possible to experience/question them directly, Soren.   Your hatred just sounds like the cries of a despondent Gull out on the Ocean, crying for it's mate.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

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And I don't see the Indians, Africans, Arabs and Chinese intermixing with each other.


We know you don't get out much, Soren.   Time you went out and intermixed with the rest of Australian society.    Roll Eyes

There wouldn't BE efnik ghettos if they  intermixed, Bwian. The Chinese have even greater horror of the Arabs and Africans than you have of Australians or anyone who is not as blinkered and lost for an argument as you, Bwian.


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Reply #156 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 4:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:51am:
You don't  need to import millions of exotic people to learn about their culture's. You can visit their countries, you can visit a library.


Except, Soren, how will they learn about your culture, with its hatred and disparaging of all other cultures?

It is better to have some members of each culture, so it is possible to experience/question them directly, Soren.   Your hatred just sounds like the cries of a despondent Gull out on the Ocean, crying for it's mate.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

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And I don't see the Indians, Africans, Arabs and Chinese intermixing with each other.


We know you don't get out much, Soren.   Time you went out and intermixed with the rest of Australian society.    Roll Eyes

There wouldn't BE efnik ghettos if they  intermixed, Bwian. The Chinese have even greater horror of the Arabs and Africans than you have of Australians or anyone who is not as blinkered and lost for an argument as you, Bwian.


You of course, with all your European experience, realise just how insulting the use of the word, "Ghetto" is, don't you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, such a man of compassion, such a man of understanding, such a man of hatred, such a creature of bigotry.

So-called "ghettos" exist downunder through the choice of the inhabitants.  They are not forced to live there, they are no prevented from leaving.   Guess what happens after the second or third generation, dowunder, Soren?   They leave, their economic aspirations overcome their desire for community.   Their children grow richer, more affluent and they move out, to the grander, bigger houses, the suburbs where most people ignore what their "race" is and what their culture maybe and instead check out what type and sort of car they drive, where their kids go to school and sort of dinner parties they hold.

What I find remarkable is that people like you, Soren are the ones who constantly deride Australian society for it's lack of caring for the elderly, its lack of interest in extended family life and here we have migrants displaying the exact reverse - true community spirit and you attack them for it.   Could it because you're not a part of it, so you're jealous of their good fortune?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #157 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 4:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:51am:
You don't  need to import millions of exotic people to learn about their culture's. You can visit their countries, you can visit a library.


Except, Soren, how will they learn about your culture, with its hatred and disparaging of all other cultures?

It is better to have some members of each culture, so it is possible to experience/question them directly, Soren.   Your hatred just sounds like the cries of a despondent Gull out on the Ocean, crying for it's mate.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

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And I don't see the Indians, Africans, Arabs and Chinese intermixing with each other.


We know you don't get out much, Soren.   Time you went out and intermixed with the rest of Australian society.    Roll Eyes

There wouldn't BE efnik ghettos if they  intermixed, Bwian. The Chinese have even greater horror of the Arabs and Africans than you have of Australians or anyone who is not as blinkered and lost for an argument as you, Bwian.


You of course, with all your European experience, realise just how insulting the use of the word, "Ghetto" is, don't you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, such a man of compassion, such a man of understanding, such a man of hatred, such a creature of bigotry.

So-called "ghettos" exist downunder through the choice of the inhabitants.  They are not forced to live there, they are no prevented from leaving.   Guess what happens after the second or third generation, dowunder, Soren?   They leave, their economic aspirations overcome their desire for community.   Their children grow richer, more affluent and they move out, to the grander, bigger houses, the suburbs where most people ignore what their "race" is and what their culture maybe and instead check out what type and sort of car they drive, where their kids go to school and sort of dinner parties they hold.

What I find remarkable is that people like you, Soren are the ones who constantly deride Australian society for it's lack of caring for the elderly, its lack of interest in extended family life and here we have migrants displaying the exact reverse - true community spirit and you attack them for it.   Could it because you're not a part of it, so you're jealous of their good fortune?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



European migrants have integrated. It is too early to say if thee Chinese, Africans, Arabs will. Looking at the Arabs, the second and third generation are even more Islamist than their parents.  The Chinese - if South East Asian experience is anything to go buy - never integrate.

The whole multiculturalist project (like the Refugee convention) was really only about making sure that the warring Europeans - Poles, Germans, Russians, French etc - respect each other. Extending it to completely alien, non-European cultures is pushing it too far. Same with thee refugee policy. After WWII it was never though to be a vehicle for third world immigration into the West. It was about an ideologically (artificially)  divided Europe.


It is all very well for European cultures to tolerate others, whether European or not. After all, openness is a European idea, as is multiculturalism, enlightenment, rule of law, reason, the very idea of universal brotherhood of man, etc, etc.

But these are not ideas that are at home in the Muslim, African, Chinese, Japanese, Indian minds.



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Reply #158 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 5:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:51am:
You don't  need to import millions of exotic people to learn about their culture's. You can visit their countries, you can visit a library.


Except, Soren, how will they learn about your culture, with its hatred and disparaging of all other cultures?

It is better to have some members of each culture, so it is possible to experience/question them directly, Soren. 

This is the most ridiculous 'thought' [outrageous exaggeration in your case most of the time] bubble in support of MILLIONS of cultural aliens to be imported into ANY country.




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Reply #159 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Bwian suffers from that LW prog disease called CULTURAL CRINGE.
He has problems with the Australian Culture and Australians... 

He doesn't believe we have a culture of our own and what there is of one he admits to is negative stereotypes.

He is a sad case... aren't you bwian.

He will never be able to provide a list of cultural enrichments no matter how often he is asked.

He will avoid ignore and obfuscate...  he will flame and Troll won't you bwian because that is all you are good for...  you cant engage in real debate about the topic at hand can you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #160 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Western culture, being big on freedom, is rich and fascinating and diverse. Third world superstitions and mad and evil cultural practices do not enhance it at all. They degrade it.


Do they?  And why cannot they learn those aspects and respect them, Soren?    Different cultures for different people in different environments.   Simples, really.    Roll Eyes

Adding dogshit to high culture has no positive effect, Bwian.

It's just adding crap.

There is simply nothing about any third world culture that enhances Western civilisation in any way. Nothing.
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Reply #161 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Western culture, being big on freedom, is rich and fascinating and diverse. Third world superstitions and mad and evil cultural practices do not enhance it at all. They degrade it.


Do they?  And why cannot they learn those aspects and respect them, Soren?    Different cultures for different people in different environments.   Simples, really.    Roll Eyes

Adding dogshit to high culture has no positive effect, Bwian.

It's just adding crap.

There is simply nothing about any third world culture that enhances Western civilisation in any way. Nothing.


And therefore the reverse is true as well, hey, Soren?  There "simply nothing" about Western culture that "enhances" "any third world culture" "in any way", right?   Absolutely nothing?   Tsk, tsk, Soren.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #162 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Western culture, being big on freedom, is rich and fascinating and diverse. Third world superstitions and mad and evil cultural practices do not enhance it at all. They degrade it.


Do they?  And why cannot they learn those aspects and respect them, Soren?    Different cultures for different people in different environments.   Simples, really.    Roll Eyes

Adding dogshit to high culture has no positive effect, Bwian.

It's just adding crap.

There is simply nothing about any third world culture that enhances Western civilisation in any way. Nothing.


And therefore the reverse is true as well, hey, Soren?  There "simply nothing" about Western culture that "enhances" "any third world culture" "in any way", right?   Absolutely nothing?   Tsk, tsk, Soren.    Roll Eyes

This is why we have such contempt for you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes you can't tell the difference between enhance and degrade - you are that stupid,
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Reply #163 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
Western culture, being big on freedom, is rich and fascinating and diverse. Third world superstitions and mad and evil cultural practices do not enhance it at all. They degrade it.


Do they?  And why cannot they learn those aspects and respect them, Soren?    Different cultures for different people in different environments.   Simples, really.    Roll Eyes

Adding dogshit to high culture has no positive effect, Bwian.

It's just adding crap.

There is simply nothing about any third world culture that enhances Western civilisation in any way. Nothing.


And therefore the reverse is true as well, hey, Soren?  There "simply nothing" about Western culture that "enhances" "any third world culture" "in any way", right?   Absolutely nothing?   Tsk, tsk, Soren.    Roll Eyes

This is why we have such contempt for you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes you can't tell the difference between enhance and degrade - you are that stupid,


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, caught out again, Soren.   I don't know why you bother, I really don't?  You disregard completely that the flow of ideas, ideals, values is not all one way but is two way between differing cultures.   You really are a poor person.  What is wrong with you?  Doesn't anybody love you?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #164 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 11:09am
 
LOL TROLL...
Don't go away mad bwian...  just go away.
You have nothing to add to constructive debate.
You keep showing that with nearly every post.
Wassup, facts getting in the way? Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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