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Reply #105 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 10:32pm:

Tsk, tsk!

Anyone ever consider the studies done on a self-sustainable population for this continent?

After all, it's not America, is it?

Water supply and arable soil would appear to be an issue once we get past the 25 million mark in population.

And we all know what's happening to the Murray/Darling catchment, don't we?

Now that we are importing cars, are we also destined to start importing food and water? We start swapping our minerals for foodstuffs?

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Wrong thread, Lionel. You need to start one on either Sustainable population or Immigration levels, not on Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with either of those subjects. Roll Eyes

I beg to differ.

Differ all you like. How about you take your differences to the thread on Immigration numbers and not here in the thread about Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is about what happens after we have migrants arrive...or not. It will not disappear, how ever much the anti-Multiculturalists want it to. The White Australia Policy is over, dead and well and truly buried and won't be resurrected when 85% of the Australian population believe Multiculturalism has been good for our society. Tsk, tsk, Lionel, its not hard to be a little disciplined, you realise? Roll Eyes

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

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Reply #106 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

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Reply #107 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

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Re: Multiculturalism enriching our Western values agai
Reply #108 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 6:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time.

On the other hand, divisions in Muslims societies never disappear, nor when there are Muslims in a society. Division or Jihad until Submission.

That's why it's utter folly to invite or allow Islam into societies where it isn't present and limit it it where it is. Islam has brought division to every single Western country where it has appeared in the last 30-40 years. Every single one. That is its nature and duty and calling, Bwian.
Jihad for the ummmah.

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Reply #109 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

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Reply #110 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles. The biggest divide in early Australia were the haves and have nots. That was the big issue. Still is very much an issue. Yes Australia has always had division. Why make it worse with poorly thought out immigration policy?

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Reply #111 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles.

Complete and utter nonsense.

You've been sucked in by the media.

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Re: Multiculturalism enriching our Western values agai
Reply #112 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles.

Complete and utter nonsense.

You've been sucked in by the media.

I doubt the Irish tried to blow up Lucas Heights hey?

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Reply #113 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles.

Complete and utter nonsense.

You've been sucked in by the media.

I doubt the Irish tried to blow up Lucas Heights hey?

Your statement was complete and utter nonsense, and you know it.

Jesus, Homo, what is it like to "live" your life consumed by irrational fear and hatred?

I really feel sorry for you at times.

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Reply #114 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles. The biggest divide in early Australia were the haves and have nots. That was the big issue. Still is very much an issue. Yes Australia has always had division. Why make it worse with poorly thought out immigration policy?

Bullshit, Hammer. Complete and utter bullshit from you. The biggest divide in Australian society was on sectarian lines - the Protestants (who were usually in power) and the Catholics (who usually weren't). Time you learnt some history instead of relying on your bullshit prejudice. Roll Eyes

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Reply #115 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Don't expect the division in society to disappear either.

You mean the divisions like we've had in the past, like the Sectarian Divide between Catholics and Protestants, Hammer?

How is that one going again? Oh, it's disappeared has it? Funny about that...

Divisions within our society appear and disappear all the time. Stop talking as it any division you believe in is actually real. In reality, it's all in your imagination... Roll Eyes

Protestants and Catholics never planned to blow each other up in oz hey Brian. Keep dreaming Brian

Wrong, as usual, Soren. Very wrong. While the Division lasted until the early 1960s, it had physical dangers which went back to the Irish troubles. We had the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion in 1812, which was primarily Irish driven but there was a heavy piece of Protestants discrimination against the Catholics. There were Catholic plans to kill a British Royal - the attempt on Prince Alfred in 1868 was highly notable. It lead to a large man hunt against Catholics.

That discrimination lasted a long, long time. Well into the 1960s. My own father was a victim of it. He was forced to leave the South Australian Public Service and join the Federal Public Service because the South Australian Public Service did not promote Catholics. That was a common problem in most state public services. Then there was the funding of Catholic Schools. That divide was a hard and a fast one until the Catholics got fed up with it and stopped sending their kids to their own schools... Roll Eyes

It was never as bad as our current Islamic troubles. The biggest divide in early Australia were the haves and have nots. That was the big issue. Still is very much an issue. Yes Australia has always had division. Why make it worse with poorly thought out immigration policy?

Bullshit, Hammer. Complete and utter bullshit from you. The biggest divide in Australian society was on sectarian lines - the Protestants (who were usually in power) and the Catholics (who usually weren't). Time you learnt some history instead of relying on your bullshit prejudice. Roll Eyes

It's good to see you mention how white people suffered from prejudice in our history. Usually it's just the aborigines. I'm nearly 50 and born catholic and it was well and truly over when I was a child. Nobody mention my religion. I've seen Australia become severely divided during my life. I live in Sydney and it's everywhere. It was never that bad when I was younger. Sydney has no solidarity at all. If that is Australia's future then I'm concerned.

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Reply #116 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 10:32pm:

Tsk, tsk!

Anyone ever consider the studies done on a self-sustainable population for this continent?

After all, it's not America, is it?

Water supply and arable soil would appear to be an issue once we get past the 25 million mark in population.

And we all know what's happening to the Murray/Darling catchment, don't we?

Now that we are importing cars, are we also destined to start importing food and water? We start swapping our minerals for foodstuffs?

Roll Eyes

Wrong thread, Lionel. You need to start one on either Sustainable population or Immigration levels, not on Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with either of those subjects. Roll Eyes

I beg to differ.

Differ all you like. How about you take your differences to the thread on Immigration numbers and not here in the thread about Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is about what happens after we have migrants arrive...or not. It will not disappear, how ever much the anti-Multiculturalists want it to. The White Australia Policy is over, dead and well and truly buried and won't be resurrected when 85% of the Australian population believe Multiculturalism has been good for our society. Tsk, tsk, Lionel, its not hard to be a little disciplined, you realise? Roll Eyes

Take the first four words from my post and ignore the rest. Fine.

You don't want debate, you want a platform.

It's all yours, Brian.

Your style, and your agenda, hasn't changed.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism enriching our Western values agai Reply #117 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:20pm Nope... never has, never will.... Bwian is spelled... D I S I N G E N O U S H Y P O C R I T E. SO FAR NO PROOF FROM BWIAN ABOUT HOW MULTICULTI ENRICHES ANYTHING... because it doesn't...
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Reply #118 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:16pm:

It's good to see you mention how white people suffered from prejudice in our history. Usually it's just the aborigines. I'm nearly 50 and born catholic and it was well and truly over when I was a child. Nobody mention my religion. I've seen Australia become severely divided during my life. I live in Sydney and it's everywhere. It was never that bad when I was younger. Sydney has no solidarity at all. If that is Australia's future then I'm concerned.

I have never denied that White people suffered religious discrimination, Hammer. You mention that you've grown up without it yet I am slightly older than you and I remember it from my youth. I suppose it all depended on where and when you grew up. I recommend you read Keneally's "The Great Shame", published in 1998 to see how White Australia society was divided along sectarian and national lines.

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Reply #119 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 6:12am

"YOU'RE AN IDIOT BRIAN."

A well know statement from all over the Internet. Everywhere he goes.

Bwian has a propensity to ignore facts and make up others. He is a disingenuous hypocrite. There is no rational debate with bwian on anything. It's bwian's way or no way. He will runaway and sulk or come back as a sock miraculously backing himself up. Or we have the height of stupidity he displays here every day where he posts YAWNS and the same textual crap. Bwian is simply a TROLL.

We all know Australia's history but bwian is happy to distort it in an effort to support his world fantasy... there is no point trying to engage him in rational debate... YOU JUST WON'T GET IT.

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