Australian Politics Forum - Should we switch to nuclear power generation?

Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #75 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:05pm Just e = mc²
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #76 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:05pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

Homework for Monk.

There are no working fusion reactors and they are unlikely to exist in our lifetimes.

Thorium reactors are the way to go and probably the next big thing.

India and us have lots of Thorium.

Oh if you are so lazy or ignorant I can answer the questions for you.

BTW the last US reactor took 43 years to build and commission.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #77 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:07pm Fusion could be commercialised any time. But we cannot plan on that—like you don’t finance a house by buying a lottery ticket. So we press ahead with what we have, fission.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #78 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:21pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:22am:

This from the Champion of the Environment and the AGW Alarmist Supreme.

Questions...
How long does it take to build, authorise and bring online a nuclear power Station?

Depends on the size, smaller is less... but on average 10-30 years.

How much do they cost?

$3-9billion US.

How dangerous to life and the environment is radioactive waste?

All current Nuclear reactors create waste fatal to all lifeforms and with the ability to pollute the environment and water sources for many thousands of years.

What is a half-life and what is the average of today's waste products?

Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years. It's half-life is the time when (half the radioactivity will decay away.)

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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #79 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:28pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

Fusion could be commercialised any time.

But we cannot plan on that—like you don’t finance a house by buying a lottery ticket.

So we press ahead with what we have, fission.

It won't be commercialised at any time soon, there are no working fusion reactors or prototypes currently in the world.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #80 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:16pm However, we do need to plan for substantial amount of new generation capacity. Coal fired power is not without risks: 1. Emissions from coal fired generators cause respiratory diseases and even deaths 2. GHG emissions raising the temperature of the globe. Coal or nuclear it is going to cost.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #81 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:17pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 5:50pm: And you are a scared little denialist. Go read some more JoNova rubbish. not game to answer the question? only a moron wouldn't be scared of nuclear.
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Reply #82 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:36pm

Nuclear has risks. So does coal fired power generation.

Risks are known and we are well placed to store the waste.

If we have nuclear power (and Labor make the NBN all FTTH again) we are well placed to move ahead despite any crisis that faces us.

If we meander, dreamlike, under the Libs we will find ourselves in the poop with neither a decent power network or communications, hampering manufacturing, trade, employment. We can lift tariffs to what our trading partners levy on our exports and get manufacturing going again. With improvements to education there is not limit to us.

But we have to get out of this scared little girl stance on nuclear and get rid of this shambolic Lib government!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #83 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:46pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:36pm: Nuclear has risks. So does coal fired power generation. ohhh please. You want to try to compare the two? What happens if Lucas heights were to leaks compared to a coal powered generator?
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Reply #84 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Nuclear has risks. So does coal fired power generation.

ohhh please. You want to try to compare the two?

What happens if Lucas heights were to leaks compared to a coal powered generator?

The new generation of nucs are very very safe.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #85 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:03pm And coal fired generators see coal miners die and the emissions cause AGW and respiratory disease. There is no obvious, comfy safe choice. We are adults and should make a rational decision on comparative costs and benefits. Definite risks and problems with coal, manageable risks with nuclear.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #86 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:22pm

People always think nuclear is boo, scary!

When Katrina hammered New Orleans I was chatting to a US nuclear engineer (on a brew board Wink

) and asked what about the New Orleans nuclear generator, if that got flooded. He said if the oil refinery there got flooded it would be worse.

Do not forget that coal mining, especially the underground version, is one of the most dangerous occupations.

As well as GHG emissions coal fired generators emit uranium and cadmium out their chimney stacks. Other problems can include fires like we saw in Victoria not that long ago.

Neither course is risk free. Neither course.

We know clean coal is bullshit. You burn coal you emit CO2 and CO2 and some other gases are cooking the world.

Modern nuclear does not blow up. We can situate the reactor and the waste depository safely away from active faults and out of reach of tsunamis. There is the Mt Painter abandoned uranium mine etc where waste can be stored. Some can no doubt be stored in deep abandoned lead-silver-zinc mines in Broken Hill, giving that town new life, Olympic Dam etc.

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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #87 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:29pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

Nuclear has risks. So does coal fired power generation.

ohhh please. You want to try to compare the two?

What happens if Lucas heights were to leaks compared to a coal powered generator?

The new generation of nucs are very very safe.

How safe will the be when Kim jung Ill drops a missile on one? Or an earthquake tears one apart? And you have to store the waste for 100 000 yrs.

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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #88 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

And coal fired generators see coal miners die and the emissions cause AGW and respiratory disease.

There is no obvious, comfy safe choice. We are adults and should make a rational decision on comparative costs and benefits.

Definite risks and problems with coal, manageable risks with nuclear.

comparative costs? How much will it cost to safeguard the waste for the next 100 000 years?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation? Reply #89 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:33pm Waste can be treated with the CSIRO Sincrete process then deeply buried. Can’t see why costs would be prohibitive.
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Question: Should Australia consider changing to nuclear energy generation?
* This poll has now closed *
No—too much danger 4 (80.0%) Yes—AGW, baseload power 1 (20.0%) Don’t know 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 5 « Created by: Jovial Monk on: Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:42am »