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Question: Should Australia consider changing to nuclear energy generation?
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No—too much danger    
  4 (80.0%)
Yes—AGW, baseload power    
  1 (20.0%)
Don’t know    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 5
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Reply #180 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:15pm
 
Jovial Twit
Troll

Just TWO adhoms.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #181 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:15pm:
Jovial Twit
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Just TWO adhoms.



Pot meet Kettle. Wink
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #182 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:02pm
 
Jovial,
watch the video & then comment.






12 Most Radioactive Places on Earth
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Reply #183 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:17pm
 
Go away with your stupid videos.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #184 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Go away with your stupid videos.



Jovial,
It's not a stupid video &
you have no way of backing that up without seeing it.
Your attacks of things you haven't even seen are a form of psychosis -
you need professional help.

The video shows - east or west - any country -
anywhere that nuclear materials are used, leaves behind
impossible radioactive messes to clean up -
environments ruined forever - & I mean forever -
even 100 million years from now those places will
be unsafe to go anywhere near -
& by that time will have polluted a lot more of the environment too.

It's criminal.
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Reply #185 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:07pm
 
It is garbage.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #186 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:07pm:
It is garbage.



You don't understand.
God help us.
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Reply #187 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 10:45pm
 
Nuclear alarmist garbage.
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Reply #188 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 10:45pm:
Nuclear alarmist garbage.



watch the video & then comment

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Reply #189 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:14pm
 
How much money have you given to Dubyne?
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Reply #190 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:14pm:
How much money have you given to Dubyne?


That makes a nice change. Usually you accuse people of being in the pay of.... Wink
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Reply #191 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
The greener nuclear alternative

By Tim Dean

If the Fukushima nuclear reactors were based on thorium instead of uranium, the current nuclear crisis in Japan right now wouldn’t be happening.

Thorium is a superior nuclear fuel to uranium in almost every conceivable way, yet we hear almost nothing about it in the contemporary hubbub about nuclear power. If there is such a thing as green nuclear power, thorium is it.

For one, a thorium-powered nuclear reactor can never undergo a meltdown. It just can’t. This is because thorium is slightly lighter than uranium and is not fissile – meaning you can pack as much of the stuff together as you want and it won’t undergo a runaway chain reaction.

Instead, you need to inject a smidge of energy into a thorium reactor to kick it off. Some designs use uranium or plutonium as a seed. An even safer design uses a particle beam to trigger the reaction. If there’s a problem, you switch off the beam, and the reactor cools down of its own accord. The meltdown is averted by simply doing nothing.

That’s a fundamental about-face compared to the current uranium reactors, where the normal operating state requires constant intervention to actively prevent a meltdown.

Thorium is also thoroughly useless for making nuclear weapons. That was once seen as a barrier to its adoption for electricity generation because, after all, the nuclear power industry was originally an offshoot of the nuclear weapons industry. Uranium was chosen as the fuel of choice precisely because its by-products, like plutonium-239, could be made into atomic bombs.

Another consequence of thorium being lighter than uranium is it produces far less of the toxic by-products that constitute a large proportion of the high-level radioactive waste generated by nuclear power plants.

Where a uranium-powered reactor creates tonnes of waste over its lifetime that remain toxic for 10,000 years, a thorium-powered reactor produces a fraction of that waste, and what is produced is only toxic for around 500 years.
Clearly, building a facility to last 500 years is a challenging prospect, but it sure beats trying to build one to remain safe for ten millennia.

But wait, there’s more.

Thorium doesn’t only produce less waste, it can be used to consume existing waste. Stick in some of your old reactor waste by-products, or even unwanted weapons-grade material, and a thorium reactor will burn it up, leaving a far less unsavoury residue.

Thorium itself is also highly abundant, far more so than uranium. In fact, Australia has some of the largest reserves of thorium to be found anywhere in the world. Extracting it from the ground is simplicity itself compared to uranium, and far softer on the environment.

It also doesn’t need enrichment; the vast bulk of uranium (around 99.3 per cent) pulled from the ground is unsuitable for a nuclear reactor, so it needs to be spun in centrifuges to extract the minute amounts of useful fissile uranium-235 material from the relatively idle uranium-238.Thorium, on the other hand, can be used straight out of the ground, meaning it can generate around 40 times more energy per tonne mined compared to uranium.

I could go on.

But, in short, thorium is easy to get at, can generate our much-needed baseload power without the risk of a meltdown, without the weapons proliferation risks of uranium, it produces far less waste, it consumes existing waste, and there are several reactor designs that have already been tested and shown to work.

Now, I’m not going to say that thorium is the only answer to our energy needs. It certainly still has its drawbacks – 500 years is still a long time to stand guard over your garbage – but it could provide that all-important stop-gap between existing dirty coal power and the future sustainable energy technologies, or even the holy grail, nuclear fusion.

India has already built a number of experimental reactors, and is investing heavily in the technology. There’s nothing except political will stopping Australia from doing the same. If the technology works, it could come into high demand from around the world, and Australia could doubly do its part in reducing carbon emissions by generating thorium nuclear power at home, and helping spread the technology abroad. We might even make a buck in the process, offsetting the R&D and initial capital costs.

If this country, and others around the world, are going to engage in a debate about nuclear power, we owe it to ourselves to look beyond the relatively primitive 20th century technologies that stir so much ire in the public, and look towards safer, more sophisticated 21st century technologies. Like thorium nuclear power.
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Reply #192 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
You put any kind of fission reactor on a tectonic faultline right on the coast in a tsunami prone area you will have disaster.

I don’t mind thorium reactors—when one is available. Same with fusion.

We need to get rid of coal. Renewables are intermittent, so back up with nuclear.

Can start small, modular reactors etc.

But we have to stop burning coal and gas.
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Reply #193 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
Not yet we don't.... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

YOU need to stop being an Alarmist... yesterday....
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Reply #194 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:10pm
 
I am not an alarmist. But I can see what is happening and what can be done about it.

Many, like Lees know AGW is warming the world but won’t admit it to himself because acting on AGW means change and some people fear change more than anything.

All the denialism, all the false science/false statements etc (JoNova/David Dubyne etc) will do is delay action until the action is less sure of results, will need to be more drastic and WAY more expensive. Then all the deniers will be loudest in denouncing lack of action by governments etc.

I say: we know there is a problem. We need to marshall resources to study it, measure the rate of change and work out where problems will be most acute early on.

Funny thing is, if renewable energy had been encouraged/mandated a lot more the problem would be a lot less acute and cheaper. Acting on AGW will just result in clean air, clean skies, a lot less disease from burning coal etc. Seems like a good thing to me.
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