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Question: Should Australia consider changing to nuclear energy generation?
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No—too much danger    
  4 (80.0%)
Yes—AGW, baseload power    
  1 (20.0%)
Don’t know    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 5
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #105 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Once it is buried safely it does not matter.



Jovial,
you claim to have a BSc.
Did you know that nuclear reactors make isotopes of elements
that haven't existed for billions of years?
The world is 4.5 billion years old & when first formed was very radioactive.
So much time has passed that now radioactive rocks are quite rare
& most elements have decayed into harmless isotopes.

Nuclear reactors are reversing that process
& it would take another 4.5 billion years to get back to where we were.
Surely there is a better way to make safer power?

Thorium reactors could in theory eat up radioactive elements giving them a faster decay time -
yet we've invested not one penny into them.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #106 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
I see nukes as an interim technology until fission is working Smiley

I think you mean “fusion”


Zackly. My phone changed it.
Fusion fusion mr fusion.
50 years?
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Reply #107 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm
 

The half-life of uranium 238 is of 4.5 billion years,
while uranium 235 has a half-life of 'only' 700 million years.

Pu-239 has a half-life of 24,100 years and Pu-241's half-life is 14.4 years.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #108 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
I see nukes as an interim technology until fission is working Smiley

I think you mean “fusion”


Zackly. My phone changed it.
Fusion fusion mr fusion.
50 years?



Fusion is always another 20 to 50 years away.
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Reply #109 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21pm
 
I notice there is a lot of concentration on the hazards of nuclear power but no attention to the hazards of continuing to burn coal.

Booby is worried about the way the reactors work. No nuclear generator has exploded except  Chernobyl and that was due to boneheaded stupidity!
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #110 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:24pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
I notice there is a lot of concentration on the hazards of nuclear power but no attention to the hazards of continuing to burn coal.

Bobby is worried about the way the reactors work. No nuclear generator has exploded except  Chernobyl and that was due to boneheaded stupidity!



Accidents happen especially when you're operating at 150 atmospheres of pressure.
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Reply #111 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Once it is buried safely it does not matter.



Jovial,
you claim to have a BSc.
Did you know that nuclear reactors make isotopes of elements
that haven't existed for billions of years?
The world is 4.5 billion years old & when first formed was very radioactive.
So much time has passed that now radioactive rocks are quite rare
& most elements have decayed into harmless isotopes.

Nuclear reactors are reversing that process
& it would take another 4.5 billion years to get back to where we were.
Surely there is a better way to make safer power?

Thorium reactors could in theory eat up radioactive elements giving them a faster decay time -
yet we've invested not one penny into them.

Thorium is like fusion, when will the tech be available.

We must replace the coal fired generators that will shut down over the next two decades and we must reduce emissions of GHG. Nuclear is safe.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #112 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Once it is buried safely it does not matter.



Jovial,
you claim to have a BSc.
Did you know that nuclear reactors make isotopes of elements
that haven't existed for billions of years?
The world is 4.5 billion years old & when first formed was very radioactive.
So much time has passed that now radioactive rocks are quite rare
& most elements have decayed into harmless isotopes.

Nuclear reactors are reversing that process
& it would take another 4.5 billion years to get back to where we were.
Surely there is a better way to make safer power?

Thorium reactors could in theory eat up radioactive elements giving them a faster decay time -
yet we've invested not one penny into them.

Thorium is like fusion, when will the tech be available.

We must replace the coal fired generators that will shut down over the next two decades and we must reduce emissions of GHG. Nuclear is safe.


The Indians & the Chinese are working on  molten salt Thorium reactors which
would be walk away safe if it all went wrong -
not like Chernobyl or Fukushima.

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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #113 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:24pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
I notice there is a lot of concentration on the hazards of nuclear power but no attention to the hazards of continuing to burn coal.

Bobby is worried about the way the reactors work. No nuclear generator has exploded except  Chernobyl and that was due to boneheaded stupidity!



Accidents happen especially when you're operating at 150 atmospheres of pressure.

So how many have actually exploded?

You say that you believe in AGW (once the non-existent ice age has passed) and if you do you know we need to reduce GHG emissions.

Renewables won’t quite cut it by itself, being basically intermittent.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #114 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:24pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
I notice there is a lot of concentration on the hazards of nuclear power but no attention to the hazards of continuing to burn coal.

Bobby is worried about the way the reactors work. No nuclear generator has exploded except  Chernobyl and that was due to boneheaded stupidity!



Accidents happen especially when you're operating at 150 atmospheres of pressure.

So how many have actually exploded?

You say that you believe in AGW (once the non-existent ice age has passed) and if you do you know we need to reduce GHG emissions.

Renewables won’t quite cut it by itself, being basically intermittent.



So how many have actually exploded?

Fukushima & Chernobyl.
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Reply #115 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:33pm
 
Fukushima was old tech and was located over a fault line in a tsunami zone. Chernobyl was old tech and was operator error.

If those two are the only ones you can name I think we can say nuclear power is safe.
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Re: Should we switch to nuclear power generation?
Reply #116 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:33pm:
Fukushima was old tech and was located over a fault line in a tsunami zone. Chernobyl was old tech and was operator error.

If those two are the only ones you can name I think we can say nuclear power is safe.



A lot of nuclear reactors are very old now &
neutron embrittlement will cause another failure.

It's just a matter of time - it will happen.


http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0107/odette-0107.html
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Reply #117 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:40pm
 
All generators, coal, wind, nuclear etc have a life cycle.

We cannot just continue burning coal. That is the fact nobody here has been able to argue away.

Casting doubt on my qualifications is just a sign of jealousy and is an ad hom.
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Reply #118 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:11pm:
Once it is buried safely it does not matter.



Jovial,
you claim to have a BSc.
Did you know that nuclear reactors make isotopes of elements
that haven't existed for billions of years?
The world is 4.5 billion years old & when first formed was very radioactive.
So much time has passed that now radioactive rocks are quite rare
& most elements have decayed into harmless isotopes.

Nuclear reactors are reversing that process
& it would take another 4.5 billion years to get back to where we were.
Surely there is a better way to make safer power?

Thorium reactors could in theory eat up radioactive elements giving them a faster decay time -
yet we've invested not one penny into them.

Thorium is like fusion, when will the tech be available.

We must replace the coal fired generators that will shut down over the next two decades and we must reduce emissions of GHG. Nuclear is safe.

Thorium reactors are much further along than fusion. Roll Eyes
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Reply #119 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:51pm
 
One huge power station has closed in Victoria, others will be closing.

We need to start with known tech and even so the time it takes means we need to start planning now.
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