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Reply #45 - May 23rd, 2017 at 3:12pm
 
An uneconomic mine like Adani is not a solution. At best, Adani would make a mess, disprupt acquifers then piss off leaving tax payers a huge mess to clean up.

You are so emotionally tied up in the Adani mine when it was apparent years ago as financiers and customers dropped off that it would not go ahead. To blame Labor is puerile!

Have your grumble if you must. I suggest a Snowy Mts type scheme on Qld rivers, like the mighty Burdekin, would be a permanent job and income producing asset.

You could agitate for a company to be formed to roll out FTTH on a voluntary take up basis (a la Chorus in NZ) which would do much more for permanent job creation than a stupid coal mine with hardly any customers.
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Reply #46 - May 24th, 2017 at 1:08am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:07pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:37am:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:20am:
Japan wants to phase out nuclear which is understandable.

Just about all other countries including China are moving to renewable energy.

Adani does not have enough customers for its mine. Adani does not have the finance to develop its mine. Adani will shortly pull the plug entirely on its proposed mine.



Adnai will probably pull out of Australia all thanks to the labor party and their anti-jobs policies, but they will in all likelihood start mining actual low quality coal from india, something all of india was hoping to avoid.

Well done, we have traded our high quality coal for their low quality all in the name of the environment; you fkken cretins.  Angry Angry Angry


And the icing on the cake for all, endless crippling unemployment for the north, a big thank you for that too.





Offering $320M holiday on royalties - money that could go to job creation in Queenslund (where they still do things diff'runtly, you mark my words) - is a 'Labor anti-jobs policy'?

How so?  It looks from down here under the sphincter of Queensland, from which all the detritus flows south, that the Labor government up there is selling out to Adani to get  this thing going.

Weak as piss...



So you are saying that the anti-jobs party should spend $320 million they haven't collected on making jobs?

So these jobs appear out of money that doesn't exist for whom doing what?



There is $5 bil set aside for northern infrastructure spending after 3 years the ONLY money spent is for salaries for the southern directors. Not one single job has come out of that fund.


Not one single person who is against this project has come up with a solution for the massive unemployment crippling the north.


So thanks for your input but you are part of the problem.




Can't break your prejudice that Labor is somehow anti-jobs despite their name and their efforts to preserve jobs against a rising tide of corporate vultures bent on profit first and foremost, can I?

Are you demanding now that anyone employed by Adani in this great pursuit should accept less than Union wages?  Do you really think that is going to happen in MY nation?  You REALLY think that you could get a job with them and NOT expect full wage rates?  If they offered you less than that, you'd complain to the high heavens.

Dream on....
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Reply #47 - May 24th, 2017 at 5:18am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 1:08am:
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Can't break your prejudice that Labor is somehow anti-jobs despite their name and their efforts to preserve jobs against a rising tide of corporate vultures bent on profit first and foremost, can I?

Are you demanding now that anyone employed by Adani in this great pursuit should accept less than Union wages?  Do you really think that is going to happen in MY nation?  You REALLY think that you could get a job with them and NOT expect full wage rates?  If they offered you less than that, you'd complain to the high heavens.

Dream on....



Is this something you have made up or do yo have a copy of the actual green field agreement for that site, Because if anyone has their prejudice show it is you. I have yet to see ANY foreign mining company pay anything but award wages (or above), but if you have ANY evidence Id be more than happy to look at it. You do realise it is illegal to do so and everything you said is incredible stupid.


As for claiming labour is anti-jobs, we have jackie trad and the labor left responsible for the halt to the adani project that has nothing to do with prejudice but everything to do with their anti-jobs policies for the north.


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Reply #48 - May 24th, 2017 at 5:20am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:12pm:
An uneconomic mine like Adani is not a solution. At best, Adani would make a mess, disprupt acquifers then piss off leaving tax payers a huge mess to clean up.

You are so emotionally tied up in the Adani mine when it was apparent years ago as financiers and customers dropped off that it would not go ahead. To blame Labor is puerile!

Have your grumble if you must. I suggest a Snowy Mts type scheme on Qld rivers, like the mighty Burdekin, would be a permanent job and income producing asset.

You could agitate for a company to be formed to roll out FTTH on a voluntary take up basis (a la Chorus in NZ) which would do much more for permanent job creation than a stupid coal mine with hardly any customers.



Yeah labor has just recently rolled out that lie for the umpteenth time, they do that when we get angry about their anti-jobs bullsh1t


Like every other anti-jobs person, you have no solutions just lies and self interest, you must be a southern labor person.


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Reply #49 - May 24th, 2017 at 7:42am
 
Michael West:

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Due to public pressure from environment groups and the poor financial prospects for the project, Adani has had trouble attracting financial interest from commercial banks internationally. The world market for seaborne thermal coal exports is in decline and India is on target to phase out imports by 2021 so the project does not appear to make commercial sense. Futures prices for Newcastle thermal coal, generally of superior quality to Carmichael coal, languish at $US68 per metric tonne, a level at which the mine is unprofitable.

If however, the federal government were to provide loan insurance or loan guarantees to a commercial banking syndicate, the banks themselves might be more inclined to fund Adani. Australian taxpayers however would then be at risk for the estimated $10 billion in project finance. That’s on top of the concessional loan from NAIF, which is yet to be approved, of $1 billion for the rail line.


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/report-efic-may-finance-adani-coal-mine/

So, taxpayers will be on the hook for $11Bn (plus for free GAB water, royalties holiday etc plus risk killing the rest of the GBR) for an uneconomic mine. Great pro–jobs action, not! How much of the $11Bn will be siphoned off by Adani?

The quality of the Carmichael coal is not good.
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Reply #50 - May 24th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
Are you against a irrigation water + hydro scheme just because it is “green” or what, BigOle?

I really doubt the Libs are going to provide $11Bn for an uneconomic mine tho they might talk about it for a while.
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Reply #51 - May 24th, 2017 at 7:48am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:37am:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:20am:
Japan wants to phase out nuclear which is understandable.

Just about all other countries including China are moving to renewable energy.

Adani does not have enough customers for its mine. Adani does not have the finance to develop its mine. Adani will shortly pull the plug entirely on its proposed mine.



Adnai will probably pull out of Australia all thanks to the labor party and their anti-jobs policies, but they will in all likelihood start mining actual low quality coal from india, something all of india was hoping to avoid.

Well done, we have traded our high quality coal for their low quality all in the name of the environment; you fkken cretins.  Angry Angry Angry


And the icing on the cake for all, endless crippling unemployment for the north, a big thank you for that too.





Offering $320M holiday on royalties - money that could go to job creation in Queenslund (where they still do things diff'runtly, you mark my words) - is a 'Labor anti-jobs policy'?

How so?  It looks from down here under the sphincter of Queensland, from which all the detritus flows south, that the Labor government up there is selling out to Adani to get  this thing going.

Weak as piss...



my thinking too.

The govt is giving away the coal and putting that area of qld at a huge risk.

Adani will do nothing for Australia
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Reply #52 - May 24th, 2017 at 8:23am
 
Hmmm had a look for what BigOle was talking about. Found:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/hydroelectri...

$200m for 150 full time jobs. That should be doable, better prospects than an uneconomic mine.

I was thinking more of sending the water west, like in the Snowy Mts scheme.
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Reply #53 - May 24th, 2017 at 8:36am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 7:48am:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:37am:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 10:20am:
Japan wants to phase out nuclear which is understandable.

Just about all other countries including China are moving to renewable energy.

Adani does not have enough customers for its mine. Adani does not have the finance to develop its mine. Adani will shortly pull the plug entirely on its proposed mine.



Adnai will probably pull out of Australia all thanks to the labor party and their anti-jobs policies, but they will in all likelihood start mining actual low quality coal from india, something all of india was hoping to avoid.

Well done, we have traded our high quality coal for their low quality all in the name of the environment; you fkken cretins.  Angry Angry Angry


And the icing on the cake for all, endless crippling unemployment for the north, a big thank you for that too.





Offering $320M holiday on royalties - money that could go to job creation in Queenslund (where they still do things diff'runtly, you mark my words) - is a 'Labor anti-jobs policy'?

How so?  It looks from down here under the sphincter of Queensland, from which all the detritus flows south, that the Labor government up there is selling out to Adani to get  this thing going.

Weak as piss...



my thinking too.

The govt is giving away the coal and putting that area of qld at a huge risk.

Adani will do nothing for Australia



Except spend $21 bil to stimulate a dying northern economy that has been endlessly pillaged by a southern government for the betterment of a southern population.

The labor government are the ones who will do nothing for us, and I trust adani 100 times more than the lying self serving fkks of the QLD labor party  Angry Angry


Remember if you are not part of the solution we do give a fkk what your opinion is.


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Reply #54 - May 24th, 2017 at 8:39am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 8:23am:
Hmmm had a look for what BigOle was talking about. Found:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/hydroelectri...

$200m for 150 full time jobs. That should be doable, better prospects than an uneconomic mine.

I was thinking more of sending the water west, like in the Snowy Mts scheme.



Yeah that gets dangled in front of us every few years. another study and another unfulfilled 'promise'.


There are a standard set of lies taught to the LNP and labor stooges elected to represent their parties' southern interests. This is but one of them.


Don't believe a word of it.




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Reply #55 - May 24th, 2017 at 8:42am
 


We need more fracking. more gas less need for coal
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Reply #56 - May 24th, 2017 at 8:58am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 8:23am:
Hmmm had a look for what BigOle was talking about. Found:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/hydroelectri...

$200m for 150 full time jobs. That should be doable, better prospects than an uneconomic mine.

I was thinking more of sending the water west, like in the Snowy Mts scheme.



Yeah that gets dangled in front of us every few years. another study and another unfulfilled 'promise'.


There are a standard set of lies taught to the LNP and labor stooges elected to represent their parties' southern interests. This is but one of them.


Don't believe a word of it.



But an uneconomic mine of poorer quality coal that has no customers or finance should be backed by $11Bn+ of taxpayers’ money?
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Reply #57 - May 24th, 2017 at 9:01am
 
I was actually thinking more of something like this:

[quote]Bradfield Scheme - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradfield_Scheme

The Bradfield Scheme, a proposed Australian water diversion scheme, is an inland irrigation ... It was proposed that water from the Tully, Herbert and Burdekin rivers be diverted west. Purpose, Irrigate .... It was regarded as the next great water engineering project to build after the Snowy Mountains Scheme. — Adrian Watts ...]

With the north getting more rain and the south less it would make even more sense now.
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Reply #58 - May 24th, 2017 at 9:20am
 
Anny Pally is in a quandary over ADANI.

And Qld's folk hero Pauline is standing by ready to take up the reins.


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Strewth what am I gunna do ?


Now where is my STATUS SYMBOL TROLL MM just waiting to spread confetti?





Palaszczuk under huge pressure as Adani mine splits Labor’s ranks
Jim Morton 6:19pm, May 23, 2017 Updated: 6:37pm, May 23

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The Adani project has highlighted opposition to coal mining, including within Premier Palaszczuk's government. Photo: AAP


Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is under huge pressure to placate both her Labor factional rivals and mining giant Adani over the stalled Carmichael mega mine.

A proposed deal to give Adani a “royalties holiday” has exploded in her lap with the party’s Left opposing it and the Indian company putting the project on ice.

Amid opposition taunts that the government was in the middle of a “civil war”, Ms Palaszczuk was forced on Tuesday to dodge questions over her leadership in state parliament.

It’s understood she struck the deal at a meeting with Gautam Adani in India in March, which would have seen the company pay as little as $2 million in royalties annually in the first seven years of the mine’s operation.


It would cost Queensland taxpayers up to $320 million.

The deal was not vetted by cabinet, which revolted when it found out, with the powerful Left led by Deputy Premier Jackie Trad, calling for the deal to be reworked as it contravened a pre-election promise.

Cabinet’s delay in making a decision on the proposal on Monday afternoon was slammed by the federal government, the LNP state opposition, regional mayors and Adani itself.

Question time on Tuesday morning was dominated by the issue with Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls taking repeated pot-shots and stressing the episode had called the premier’s leadership into question.

“Isn’t this a divided cabinet and the fact that thousands of jobs lie in the balance, a failure of leadership?” Mr Nicholls asked the premier.

“Yesterday was a test of the premier leadership and she failed.”

Ms Trad maintained her position while also supporting the premier, repeating that she was a member of the “Palaszczuk Labor government”.

“The premier has been strong and clear – this will go through a cabinet process and there will be a framework going forward,” she said.

Ms Trad and the Left have argued a royalties holiday contravenes the party’s pre-election promise not to provide taxpayer subsidies for Adani.

Fellow Left member, Energy Minister Mark Bailey, refused to declare his support for the mine saying he was “very committed to us keeping all of our election commitments”.

Another, Shannon Fentiman, gave qualified backing, hoping it would deliver the 10,000 jobs promised “as long as it meets all its environmental standards”.

Adani, incensed at cabinet’s delay of the royalties submission, has deferred Monday’s board meeting set down to make their final investment decision.
A spokesman told AAP they were willing to wait but not indefinitely.

Federal Resources Minister Matt Canavan says the state government’s indecision is risking thousands of jobs, calling it “a remarkable and embarrassing situation” that no tax regime was in place.

Townsville Mayor Jenny Hill says if the Adani project doesn’t go ahead, it will set the state back 50 years.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2017/05/23/palaszczuk-huge-pressure-adani/
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Reply #59 - May 24th, 2017 at 9:29am
 
Pauline is on like 6% support nationally and well short of 20% in Qld. An irrelevance and in the process of imploding, again.

The Adani mine is uneconomic and no matter how much emotional capital some have invested in it it is uneconomical and will not go ahead.
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