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Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:29am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/28/australians-could-save-10...

How clear policy could save consumers money, create more jobs and decarbonise the grid.

When FTTH starts being rolled out again—and the Labor govt in 2019 must make that an urgent priority—then smart meters can start proper management of the grid. Yes, FTTH allows much better monitoring of electricity use than using the electricity grid to do the monitoring and managing.

In the meantime, more coal fired power stations are due to be decommissioned and I doubt the shambles has even thought about what should replace them.

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Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #1 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:32am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:29am:

FTTH allows much better monitoring of electricity use than using the electricity grid to do the monitoring and managing.

Really? Now does a minuscule speed upgrade, less than 2 seconds, improve grid monitoring?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:29am:

In the meantime, more coal fired power stations are due to be decommissioned and I doubt the shambles has even thought about what should replace them.

As long as it is not heavily subsidised renewables. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #2 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:36am You don’t know how rock solid, gigabit comms can improve monitoring of electricity usage? Really? So you want heavily subsidised coal fired generators? That can spew out CO2 without paying for the pollution? Really?
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Reply #3 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:23pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

You don’t know how rock solid, gigabit comms can improve monitoring of electricity usage? Really?

Yes really. How much data is transferred? How long does it take?

Not very long.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

So you want heavily subsidised coal fired generators? T

Coal - $ 130m       $0.86/MWh
Solar - $2,002m       $412.11/MWh
Wind - $ 388m       $41.64/MWh

http://www.minerals.org.au/file_upload/files/media_releases/Electricity_producti...

Sourced from State and Federal Budgets.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #4 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:47pm Doesn’t cover the cost of polluting the air and the atmosphere by burning coal and probably is being way too kind to coal.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #5 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:29pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Doesn’t cover the cost of polluting the air and the atmosphere by burning coal and probably is being way too kind to coal. CO2 is not pollution.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #6 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:38pm CO2 is not the only pollution from burning coal, there are particulate emissions that cause respiratory illnesses to some people living near the generator.
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Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #7 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:46pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

CO2 is not the only pollution from burning coal, there are particulate emissions that cause respiratory illnesses to some people living near the generator.

Really? At what level are these particulate emissions? What are they?

And you believe CO2 is pollution. Grin

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #8 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:46pm Google is your friend.
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Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #9 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:53pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Google is your friend.

So you believe the making of wind generators is pollution free?
That the making of solar panels is pollution free?
You believe we should not have a steel industry?
That we should not have an aluminium industry?

What industries do you believe we should have?

You believe poor countries should burn dung etc in fires? That is full of pollution.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #10 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:54pm Why don’t you stick to the subject?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #11 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:59pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:54pm: Why don’t you stick to the subject? Why don't you answer scientific questions? You know - Downwelling IR, things like that? BTW - Isn't "Google is your friend", a deflection? Or perhaps you honestly don't know.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43658 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #12 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:01pm Look it up if you want to know. Or don’t, it’s not as if I give a stuff.
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Reply #13 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:02pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 10:29am:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/28/australians-could-save-10...

How clear policy could save consumers money, create more jobs and decarbonise the grid.

When FTTH starts being rolled out again—and the Labor govt in 2019 must make that an urgent priority—then smart meters can start proper management of the grid. Yes, FTTH allows much better monitoring of electricity use than using the electricity grid to do the monitoring and managing.

In the meantime, more coal fired power stations are due to be decommissioned and I doubt the shambles has even thought about what should replace them.

Bringing this to the front again.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #14 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:05pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:02pm: Bringing this to the front again. Ok. So tell us the amount of data needed from each house to the grid that requires FTTH? I can't see it as more than 1kb.
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