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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #15 - May 21^st, 2017 at 11:31pm BTW - were those temperatures over the entire Arctic or at selected spots? And what is the NORMAL temperature of the Arctic? And when was it derived? Were there higher temperatures that contributed to the 1951 - 1980 average? That is how averages work.
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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:32am

Bringing this to the front again:

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While global emissions of heat-trapping pollution appear to be stabilizing, they have not shown any signs of decreasing, which would be necessary to slow climate change. Rising temperatures are worsening floods, storms and wildfires around the world.

“Right now, when you sum the actions of all countries, even under the Paris agreement, it’s insufficient to mitigate dangerous, human-caused climate change,” said Matto Mildenberger, a political scientist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

“Different countries move forward on climate issues with their own rhythm in response to domestic political factors,” Mildenberger said. “It’s naive to think that pro-climate forces will be in power across the world at the same time.”

Here’s a trip around the world, assessing how pro-climate and anti-climate forces are faring in key nations and regions and showing how recent developments are affecting the languishing fight against global warming.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/china-india-climate-leaders-west-falters-2137...

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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 11:17am

Jovial Monk wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:32am:

While global emissions of heat-trapping pollution appear to be stabilizing, they have not shown any signs of decreasing, which would be necessary to slow climate change. Rising temperatures are worsening floods, storms and wildfires around the world.

Can you cite the peer-reviewed studies for this or are they relying on modelling? Wink

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:48pm

lee wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 11:17am:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:32am:

While global emissions of heat-trapping pollution appear to be stabilizing, they have not shown any signs of decreasing, which would be necessary to slow climate change. Rising temperatures are worsening floods, storms and wildfires around the world.

Can you cite the peer-reviewed studies for this or are they relying on modelling? Wink

Does Lee even know that his technologically comfortable world relies on modelling?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 3:27pm TheFunPolice wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:48pm: Does Lee even know that his technologically comfortable world relies on modelling? On models that actually work? Yes, Now if we built an aeroplane from a model with as many assumptions as climate models, then that would be a different story.
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Reply #20 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:04pm

lee wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 3:27pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 1:48pm:

Does Lee even know that his technologically comfortable world relies on modelling?

On models that actually work? Yes,

Now if we built an aeroplane from a model with as many assumptions as climate models, then that would be a different story. Wink

Does lee even know what an assumption is?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #21 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:48pm Trying to be relevant? Try harder.
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Reply #22 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 1:09pm

lee wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 12:48pm:

Trying to be relevant? Try harder. Wink

Go on bro: tell me what to do like the biggest fascist joke, oops- sorry, "overlord" Grin

, of the interwebs and get those jollies off by telling your life partner how you smashed the lefties today Roll Eyes

Hey,.... and then you can pretend she still thinks you're a man Cheesy

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Reply #23 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 2:31pm

Bringing this to the front again, again:

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While global emissions of heat-trapping pollution appear to be stabilizing, they have not shown any signs of decreasing, which would be necessary to slow climate change. Rising temperatures are worsening floods, storms and wildfires around the world.

“Right now, when you sum the actions of all countries, even under the Paris agreement, it’s insufficient to mitigate dangerous, human-caused climate change,” said Matto Mildenberger, a political scientist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

“Different countries move forward on climate issues with their own rhythm in response to domestic political factors,” Mildenberger said. “It’s naive to think that pro-climate forces will be in power across the world at the same time.”

Here’s a trip around the world, assessing how pro-climate and anti-climate forces are faring in key nations and regions and showing how recent developments are affecting the languishing fight against global warming.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/china-india-climate-leaders-west-falters-2137...

Lees only wants debate to cover up information posted.

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Reply #24 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:21pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Nope. But keep trying. Wink

"Hundreds of new plants

India’s government insists the new plants are needed to take care of the approximately 300 million people with no access to electricity.

Its 2015 INDC plans submitted before the Paris COP imply an increase of over 300 GW of coal by 2030. Taking the current US average size of a coal plant as a benchmark, that’d be nearly 600 new coal plants."

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/10/03/climate-india-coal-power/

"After years of “binge-building” new coal plants, China is expected to suspend development of all new coal-fired power generators until the start of 2018, as part of its 13th Five Year Plan for the energy sector, according to state media reports"

"As The Wall Street Journal reported in May, China already has more power-generating capacity than any other country in the world and is projected to add nearly 200GW of new thermal power capacity between 2015 and 2017, most of it coal-based."

http://reneweconomy.com.au/china-set-ban-new-coal-plant-development-31659/

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Good intentions count for nought.

You do know the difference between suspend and cancel?

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Reply #25 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:10pm

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The new boss of the Australian Energy Market Commission has described an emissions intensity scheme, currently ruled out by the Turnbull government, as the most effective policy for cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

The Coalition is becoming more and more isolated on this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/emissions-intensity-scheme...

This is from Saturday—been busy.

Something will have to be done, but obviously not by the Libs. Hopefully the stupid Greens can’t stuff this scheme up!

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Reply #26 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:13pm

While nothing happens on an intensity scheme jobs are being lost:

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The uncertainty of Australia’s carbon policy is causing reduced investment, including in renewable energy, regulators have told a parliamentary committee. Officials from the Australian Energy Market Commission told the standing committee on the environment and energy on Friday that an emissions intensity scheme was the best solution to end uncertainty because it was technology neutral and could respond to variables such as high gas prices.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/26/carbon-policy-indecision-...

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Reply #27 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:45pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 29^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

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The new boss of the Australian Energy Market Commission has described an emissions intensity scheme, currently ruled out by the Turnbull government, as the most effective policy for cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

The Coalition is becoming more and more isolated on this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/emissions-intensity-scheme...

This is from Saturday—been busy.

Something will have to be done, but obviously not by the Libs. Hopefully the stupid Greens can’t stuff this scheme up!

Funny how AEMO was slammed for the SA report, but all is good for an opinion on an energy emissions scheme. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #28 - May 29^th, 2017 at 8:50pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 29^th, 2017 at 8:13pm: an emissions intensity scheme was the best solution to end uncertainty because it was technology neutral Really? Not skewed towards renewables? Of course if, as they keep telling us, they are now cost effective, they can do it without subsidies.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #29 - Jun 18^th, 2017 at 11:44am LOL Sorry Monkeyboy, but you are funny, not as funny as Choo-choo, but you are getting there. Got any more colourful piccies? This is colourful too...
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