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Satellite Snafu Masked True Sea Level Rise
Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:20pm
 
Now I would like to hear what the Climate Change Deniers have to say when some of their arguments have been built on data that is wrong.


Satellite Snafu Masked True Sea Level Rise for Decades

Revised tallies confirm that the rate of sea level rise is accelerating as Earth warms and ice sheets thaw

The numbers didn’t add up. Even as Earth grew warmer and glaciers and ice sheets thawed, decades of satellite data seemed to show that the rate of sea-level rise was holding steady—or even declining.
Now, after puzzling over this discrepancy for years, scientists have identified its source: a problem with the calibration of a sensor on the first of several satellites launched to measure the height of the sea surface using radar. Adjusting the data to remove that error suggests that sea levels are indeed rising at faster rates each year.

“The rate of sea-level rise is increasing, and that increase is basically what we expected,” says Steven Nerem, a remote-sensing expert at the University of Colorado Boulder who is leading the reanalysis. He presented the as-yet-unpublished analysis on 13 July in New York City at a conference sponsored by the World Climate Research Programme and the International Oceanographic Commission, among others.
Nerem's team calculated that the rate of sea-level rise increased from around 1.8 millimetres per year in 1993 to roughly 3.9 millimetres per year today as a result of global warming. In addition to the satellite calibration error, his analysis also takes into account other factors that have influenced sea-level rise in the last several decades, such as the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 and the recent El Nińo weather pattern.

The view from above

The results align with three recent studies that have raised questions about the earliest observations of sea-surface height, or altimetry, captured by the TOPEX/Poseidon spacecraft, a joint US–French mission that began collecting data in late 1992. Those measurements continued with the launch of three subsequent satellites.

“Whatever the methodology, we all come up with the same conclusions,” says Anny Cazenave, a geophysicist at the Laboratory for Studies in Space Geophysics and Oceanography (LEGOS) in Toulouse, France.

In an analysis published in Geophysical Research Letters in April, Cazenave’s team tallied up the various contributions to sea-level rise, including expansion resulting from warming ocean waters and from ice melt in places such as Greenland. Their results suggest that the satellite altimetry measurements were too high during the first six years that they were collected; after this point, scientists began using TOPEX/Poseidon's back-up sensor. The error in those early measurements distorted the long-term trend, masking a long-term increase in the rate of sea-level rise.

The problem was first identified in 2015 by a group that included John Church, an oceanographer at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. Church and his colleagues identified a discrepancy between sea-level data collected by satellites and those from tide gauges scattered around the globe. In a second paper published in June in Nature Climate Change, the researchers adjusted the altimetry records for the apparent bias and then calculated sea-level rise rates using a similar approach to Cazenave’s team. The trends lined up, Church says.

Rising tide

Still, Nerem wanted to know what had gone wrong with the satellite measurements. His team first compared the satellite data to observations from tide gauges that showed an accelerating rate of sea-level rise. Then the researchers began looking for factors that could explain the difference between the two data sets.

The team eventually identified a minor calibration that had been built into TOPEX/Poseidon's altimeter to correct any flaws in its data that might be caused by problems with the instrument, such as ageing electronic components. Nerem and his colleagues were not sure that the calibration was necessary—and when they removed it, measurements of sea-level rise in the satellite's early years aligned more closely with the tide-gauge data. The adjusted satellite data showed an increasing rate of sea-level rise over time.
“As records get longer, questions come up,” says Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist who heads NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City. But the recent spate of studies suggests that scientists have homed in on an answer, he says. “It’s all coming together.”

If sea-level rise continues to accelerate at the current rate, Nerem says, the world’s oceans could rise by about 75 centimetres over the next century. That is in line with projections made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2013.

“All of this gives us much more confidence that we understand what is happening,” Church says, and the message to policymakers is clear enough. Humanity needs to reduce its output of greenhouse-gas emissions, he says—and quickly. ”The decisions we make now will have impacts for hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of years.” 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/satellite-snafu-masked-true-sea-level...
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:24pm
 
Yeah, and satellites drifted etc so temperature readings meant to be taken at 2.00pm were taken at 6 or even 8.00pm.

Just look at your satnav “turn left!” Whoah—there is a brick wall there, wait till I move on 20–50 metres.

And that acceleration of sea level rise: not just oceans expanding as they warm, not just Greenland losing ice, Antarctica is now a net loser of ice.
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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:24pm:
Antarctica is now a net loser of ice.



Citation required. Wink
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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:31pm
 
My concern is that the misinformation and bad data is preventing us from addressing the issue. Our short term thinking will mark us as the Stupid People if we get to survive. A time where mankind had the knowledge but petty politics prevented action.

Bad data has affected the process allowing the deniers to drill down on anything and use one point to claim all is wrong.

Time for action and less denial.
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Deniers will always be with us.

But over the world even local communities are taking action to phase out fossil fuels with renewable energy, even in the Trump USA.

I remain optimistic. We can move to renewables much more quickly, we can plant lots more trees and bamboo and use bio/chemical engineering to suck more CO2 out the air.

Sooner we start the surer, quicker and cheaper it will be.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:39pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:31pm:
Bad data has affected the process allowing the deniers to drill down on anything and use one point to claim all is wrong.



You mean like satellite altimetry being not good?

"From its vantage point 1336 kilometers (830 miles) above the Earth, the US/European Jason-1 and OSTM/Jason-2 ocean altimeter satellites measure the height of the ocean surface directly underneath the satellite with an accuracy of 4-5 centimeters (better than 2 inches). "

https://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/technology/

But they can discern sea level rise to about 4mm/year.

"the average rate of sea level rise from 1993–2009 is 3.4 ± 0.4 mm/year.

"Estimating Mean Sea Level Change from the TOPEX and Jason Altimeter Missions'

Nerem et al

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/content/estimating-mean-sea-level-change-topex-and-...

Now what was that about bad data?

Torture the data long enough; it will confess.

Why doesn't it accord with Tide gauge data?
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
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The problem was first identified in 2015 by a group that included John Church, an oceanographer at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. Church and his colleagues identified a discrepancy between sea-level data collected by satellites and those from tide gauges scattered around the globe.


From SN’s article.

What was that about tidal gauges not agreeing with the corrected satellite data?

Don’t think they tortured the data too much (waterboarding?  Wink ) just switched out the back up sensor.

Come on Lees, the globe is warming, land based ice is disappearing of course the seas are rising!
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
Lee, the old margin of error argument.

Now the data has been corrected due to the equipment error, margin of error would have been taken into account to produce the revised findings confirming the sea level is rising faster and supporting those forecasts the deniers, deny.
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Now the data has been corrected due to the equipment error, margin of error would have been taken into account to produce the revised findings confirming the sea level is rising



So just exactly how do they "adjust" when the self-admitted accuracy is about 9 times the reading, and with a smaller error margin? You can't adjust a 34mm accuracy out of your readings.  This is not equipment error this is a design limitation. The sensors are already up there, they can't replace them with more accurate ones.

Honolulu tide gauge data.

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Monthly data http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/rlr.monthly.plots/155_high.png

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http://www.sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=Honolulu

"The mean sea level (MSL) trend at Honolulu, HI, USA is +1.43 mm/year with a 95% confidence interval of ±0.21 mm/year, based on monthly mean sea level data from 1905/1 to 2016/11."

Sure looks scary
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:22pm
 
You and Monk are the biggest Climate Deniers I know SN... Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:22pm:
You and Monk are the biggest Climate Deniers I know SN... Cheesy


Grin

If you adjust the input numbers to correct the error the rise was faster, that is what they are saying.
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
To be honest, it is not the rising seas that I care about, if that was the only thing. It is a symptom, effect of the climate change that supports the modeling that things are going faster in the wrong direction and if, gab the if for all it's worth, the models are correct, we are in deep shyte when the methane is released and we will be over the tipping point and recovery.
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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm:
If you adjust the input numbers to correct the error the rise was faster, that is what they are saying.


OH. GIGO. Why didn't you say so.

It is rather like the Argo buoys. Some were showing cooling when they were expecting warming. So they were "faulty". Obviously never did QA/QC on them before they were deployed. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
Sea levels rise and fall for a great many reasons, most have nothing to do with climate change.

Waaaaay too early for climate change to be affecting sea levels yet kiddies.  Its a beat up.

You don't seem to try very hard to find contradictory proof and arguments for these propaganda pieces you post SN...  Why not.  I found heaps and Experts including the world leading expert on Sea Levels...

Seems he agrees with me. Wink
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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 5:20pm:
His team first compared the satellite data to observations from tide gauges that showed an accelerating rate of sea-level rise. Then the researchers began looking for factors that could explain the difference between the two data sets.


So the tide gauges were showing greater increases than the satellites?
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