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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #135 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:51am

It is all just cowardice. It is Neville Chamberlain waving his fatuous bit of paper.

We know GHGs are increasing.

We know glaciers are retreating and the main ice sheets are shrinking (Antarctica may already be shrinking and in any case it is like 2 decades tops and it will be shrinking.)

We know the seas are rising, partly from ice sheets melting, partly from warming of the oceans.

We know spectrometry, especially by the NASA satellites, shows GHGs are absorbing IR photons, warming the earth. We know isotope analysis shows the GHGs being added to the atmosphere are put there by us burning fossil fuels and destroying carbon sinks on land and in the seas. We also know methane and now nitrous oxide are growing in concentration and are very strong greenhouse gases.

So it is cowardice to try and pretend AGW is not happening.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21622 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #136 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 11:36am Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:54pm: I suggest you find where I posted long extracts of that paper and read it. Why. You post sh!t from SKS.
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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #137 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 5:24am:

The pppooooiinnnttt is that co2 is driving the climate now. something, which as you are aware, has NEVER happened before.

Another assertion. Please quote the paper that shows it can't be natural variability. I have seen papers that say it can't be therefore...., but no paper that shows it.

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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #138 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 11:50am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:51am:

We know glaciers are retreating

We know some are retreating and some are advancing,

"Explaining New Zealand's unusual growing glaciers"

https://phys.org/news/2017-02-zealand-unusual-glaciers.html

Feb 2017

"Are the Himalayan glaciers retreating?"

http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/106/07/1008.pdf

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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #139 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 11:58am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 5:24am:

Ajax wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:27pm:

This is spectrometry, real time, not a model.

The globe is warming and the time to do something about it is now!

The point of no return according to the algorians was in 2007 or roundabouts.

So the Earth is warming, it has warmed and cooled many times in our history before the present day.

CO2 had nothing to do with any of the warming in the past, while it may slightly contribute to the warming, CO2 is not the instigator or the driver of any warming or cooling on the Earth.

Don't take my word on this, it's clearly seen in Earth's climate history and can be proven by physics.

All of which is true, and all of which totally misses the point.
Your aware that co2 has never driven the climate cycle in the past.tick
Your aware that the earth has warmed and cooled in the past. tick

The pppooooiinnnttt is that co2 is driving the climate now. something, which as you are aware, has NEVER happened before. Its a conundrum-scientists should study it and come up with some explanation for why the climate is behaving in this MyStErIoUs way!

Ahhhh.
Nope.
Correlation does not equate to causation.
Ice records show clearly that there is a time lag in emission release after heating. That heat drives the release of CO2 is a fact.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #140 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 12:15pm Nothing to do with correlation, all to do with absorption and re-emission of IR photons.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21622 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #141 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 12:51pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 12:15pm: Nothing to do with correlation, all to do with absorption and re-emission of IR photons. Yes. but it is a net effect. You keep forgetting that and it is a logarithmic effect. CO2 is not infinitely able to absorb IR.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #142 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 4:15pm lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 11:36am: Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:54pm: I suggest you find where I posted long extracts of that paper and read it. Why. You post sh!t from SKS. I post some stuff from SKS. This was a long scientific paper. It will pay you to read it.
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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #143 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 4:17pm

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 12:15pm:

Nothing to do with correlation, all to do with absorption and re-emission of IR photons.

Yes. but it is a net effect. You keep forgetting that and it is a logarithmic effect. CO2 is not infinitely able to absorb IR.

It is logarithmic but there is no upper bound. Nor is CO2 the only GHG.

Sounds like you are running out of denial.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #144 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 5:49pm looks like you are regurgitating crap Monk. You wouldn't know a photon if it hit you between the eyes.
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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #145 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

Poor roach, scared of AGW so talks crap.

Then again, all I see you talk is crap.

The mechanism causing AGW is known. NASA satellites confirm it all the time.

The globe is warming tho the sun is moving into a quiescent state. So, other things are not equal, other things are saying the globe should not be heating but still—it heats up!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21622 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #146 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:53pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 4:17pm: Nor is CO2 the only GHG. JM has discovered water vapour.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #147 - Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:57pm CH4, N2O. . .
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Re: Action on AGW, is it enough?
Reply #148 - Jul 5^th, 2017 at 8:52am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Poor roach, scared of AGW so talks crap.

Not scared, that's irrational like you. Nothing to be scared of.

Then again, all I see you talk is crap.

Yes no doubt that's all you see

The mechanism causing AGW is known. NASA satellites confirm it all the time.

No they don't they record statistics and this has been an exercise in correlation and causation with gross ignorance about the lag time for CO2 emissions. It has also been a huge political exercise by the UN to shift world wealth around to poorer countries.

The globe is warming tho the sun is moving into a quiescent state. So, other things are not equal, other things are saying the globe should not be heating but still—it heats up!

The Sun is moving is it? We are in a warm period dodo... after the last ice Age... we will eventually have another Ice Age.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Action on AGW, is it enough? Reply #149 - Jul 5^th, 2017 at 8:56am As I said before, this is not a correlation/causation thing. It is a GHG molecules absorbing IR thing. After another 20 go rounds like this roach MAY finally get it. Not placing bets on that happening tho.
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