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Reply #30 - May 10^th, 2017 at 2:44pm

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths.

33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year.

About 12,000 of those are suicides.

we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that.

I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest.

Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster.

Thats a unrealistic fear you have. Australia was once one the the safest countries on Earth. Freedom increases personal responsibility and in the case of someone who could be carrying a gun - manners!

Im not fearful at all, I simply recognise the truth, anyone who goes anywhere near any of our nightlife areas knows how violent young Australians are, adding available firearms to that mix would be extremely stupid. Add to that we have 3 percent of the population who are congenital criminals with a hatred for anyone who acquires anything through industry and a propensity for robbing, raping and killing, adding firearms to the mix here would be an unmitigated disaster.

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Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

Youa re on record as stating you live in a remote sparsely populated area so thats hardly a surprise is it? Roll Eyes

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I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license.

Australia is a ripe peach for envious and overcrowded neighbors to the North. Having a trained and armed population is a huge deterrent for invaders.

Do you want to be always "wards of the State" or take some responsibility.

Thats one of the most stupid statements in the history of the internet, you are American all right. Australians in general are much more independent than you Americans, thats why your women drop their panties so readily for Aussie men. Wink

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152525 Gender:	Re: Good Samaritan with gun kills murderer Reply #32 - May 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am: Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people. "A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."
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Reply #33 - May 10^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

"A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."

"There were an estimated 327,374 robberies nationwide in 2015."

900 a day.

"almost non-existent" Shocked

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Reply #34 - May 10^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 1:21am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:50am:

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:46am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:43am:

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:15am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates

When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that.

I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun?
Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent?
duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm

Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun.

Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well.

Will you take him into the forest, Rhino?

Miam miam.

No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet?

Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you?

Depends. Are you coming?

Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication.

You?

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Re: Good Samaritan with gun kills murderer
Reply #35 - May 10^th, 2017 at 6:13pm

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 1:21am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:50am:

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:46am:

Big Donger wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:43am:

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:15am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates

When people mention firearm suicides it shows they don't care about those who kill themselves by other methods, hanging has become our most common method for suicide yet no gun grabber will ever mention that.

I knew Phil Bolger he killed himself with his pistol, he made the decision to do this because previous generations of his family became senile and he didn't want to end up like them, would you prefer he hung himself instead of using a gun?
Is this the type of suicide you wish to prevent?
duckworksmagazine.com/09/reports/bolger/index.htm

Funny how some people are all for assisted suicide, as long as they don't use a gun.

Lets see the stats I asked for first, then i will destroy you on this as well.

Will you take him into the forest, Rhino?

Miam miam.

No need to 'take" anyone anywhere. got a coherent arguement yet?

Not yet, Rhino. Will you be taking your shovel with you?

Depends. Are you coming?

Not yet, dear. I may need a bit more lubrication.

You?

my weapons always oiled

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Re: Good Samaritan with gun kills murderer
Reply #36 - May 10^th, 2017 at 6:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:08pm:

A good story - we need more people like him.

why must you be so gullible and stupid? For every good samaritan with a concealed weapon there is 100 offenders with a concealed weapon.

Notice how often this kind of thing DOESNT happen here in OZ? Never, because we dont have the crime being committed in the first place.

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Violent Burglaries & Carjackings on the Rise in Melbourne

Source: ABC.Net.Au
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'Scared residents' want to 'stand up' to offenders

The concern from residents was in response to the dramatic increase in the number of carjackings......

Victorian crime statistics: Robberies rise by 25 per cent

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VICTORIAN crime rates have soared over the past year despite promises of a statewide crackdown by police chiefs and Premier Daniel Andrews.

New statistics reveal crime across the state has soared by 10.2 per cent in the last year.

Spate of violent home invasion causes shortage of baseball bats

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Melbourne police say that having a “live now, die young” attitude is making youths in the city to commit violent and dangerous acts. As a result of the rise in violent home invasions in Melbourne, baseball bats shortage hits sports stores......

Police concern over rise in property and theft offences
as 25 South Australian houses are targeted every day

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⚫ Elderly couple beaten during ‘cowardly’ home invasion in Flinders Park

⚫ Man left with serious head injuries following ‘targeted’ home invasion

HOME invaders and burglars are targeting 25 South Australian houses every day, causing police concern about the rise in property and theft offences.

Latest police figures show serious criminal trespass offences increased 11 per cent to 9110 in the 12 months to October this year.

This equates to a break-in, on average, every hour of the day.

In the past week alone, there have been three notable incidents of criminals breaking into homes and stealing property and, on two of those occasions, assaulting the occupants.......

RACV insurance issues guide - "What To Do In A Home Invasion" after attacks increased 40% last year

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For a homeowner, it's potentially life and death.

....10 aggravated burglaries per day in Victoria, 3,500 per year - and the number grew by 40% last year!

The rate of home invasions has soared over the last year. Crime Statistics Agency data for 2016 has shown an overall 10 per cent increase in home burglaries – but aggravated burglaries have almost doubled........

You see any violent crime????......I didn't see any violent crime!!!

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Re: Good Samaritan with gun kills murderer
Reply #38 - May 10^th, 2017 at 9:26pm

Comparing the USA to Australia in this case is virtually irrelevant. Just how you line the two up, I don't know. We are a little country with few firearms, a peaceful history and nothing like the social pressures of a country of 300 million people.

That being said, aren't we fascinated when some nasty sucker gets wasted in a Hollywood action movie.

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Reply #39 - May 10^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

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A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said.
nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-po...

The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that.

And if the guns had been restricted, there would not been any need to have shot him since he would have been an active puncher

"And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!"

Not strong on logic, are you.

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And, even though firearm laws in Australia restrict the ownership of firearms [much much more than in the USA], .....many criminals here in Australia are still able to easily obtain firearms, and use them, during the commission of violent crimes.

Dropped on your head as a child ?

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Reply #40 - May 10^th, 2017 at 11:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

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A "good Samaritan"with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar, police said.
nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-po...

The good Samaritan had a concealed carry permit he shot the offender, he didn't get into any trouble for doing that.

As usual, celebrating the Wild West mentality of American society, Baron. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - May 11^th, 2017 at 1:17am

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:51pm:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 11:46pm:

Id like to see accidental death by firearm and suicide rates, its pointless having less murders if you have more accidental deaths.

33,000 people die from firearms in the USA every year.

About 12,000 of those are suicides.

we need comparison statistics from open carry states showing deaths before and after open carry laws. But you can bet your bottom dollar the pro gun lobby wont show that.

I'd rather have our laws than the USA laws - to be honest.

Its also a cultural thing, if we had gun ownership on the scale they do in the US we would have open warfare on every street corner, Australians are in comparison violent people compared to the US. And we certainly do not want a specific 3 percent of the population having access to firearms, that would be a disaster.

Thats a unrealistic fear you have. Australia was once one the the safest countries on Earth. Freedom increases personal responsibility and in the case of someone who could be carrying a gun - manners!

Im not fearful at all, I simply recognise the truth, anyone who goes anywhere near any of our nightlife areas knows how violent young Australians are, adding available firearms to that mix would be extremely stupid. Add to that we have 3 percent of the population who are congenital criminals with a hatred for anyone who acquires anything through industry and a propensity for robbing, raping and killing, adding firearms to the mix here would be an unmitigated disaster.

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Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

Youa re on record as stating you live in a remote sparsely populated area so thats hardly a surprise is it? Roll Eyes

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I think that if Australians want to possess a gun they should be able to. Providing they complete a course in the safe use of them as part of their license.

Australia is a ripe peach for envious and overcrowded neighbors to the North. Having a trained and armed population is a huge deterrent for invaders.

Do you want to be always "wards of the State" or take some responsibility.

Thats one of the most stupid statements in the history of the internet, you are American all right. Australians in general are much more independent than you Americans, thats why your women drop their panties so readily for Aussie men. Wink

An armed and trained population with guns is a massive deterrent to invasion whether you comprehend that or not. You think about Indonesia with a population 10 X that of Australia's a fraction of the size who regards Australia as part of their World and shouldn't be owned by whites.

Also up until Port Arthur Australia was a heavily armed population. Was violence much greater before?

This is an area of small acreages - semi rural and yes home breakins are non-existent - at least I haven't heard of any. Because robbers know that they can be shot dead - legally. Having a gun for a single old woman is a great equalizer.

Australians are not more independent - far from it. America celebrates individualism and imagination.

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Reply #43 - May 11^th, 2017 at 12:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Richdude wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Home break-ins and robberies are almost non-existent here. Why? Because there is more guns than people.

"A burglary takes place about every eighteen seconds in the United States. That adds up to nearly 200 per hour, and approximately 4,800 every day."

I think you watch to much Hollywood movies!

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