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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #75 - May 24^th, 2017 at 7:22pm More fantasy, more desperation. I never said the Arctic was 40°F above normal. But when you deny reality you end up looking like a sad clown quite often.
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Reply #76 - May 24^th, 2017 at 8:15pm

TheFunPolice wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:42am:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Poor desperate Lees. Must suck to be him.

The whole of climate denial is based around pretending not to understand what models do: yet profit margins and markets are modelled all the time,.. then there's the rest of the bluebloods comfortable world that was modelled exactly on the industrial revolution before it... with slight changes to add and not subtract to the modelled outcome. How do efficient process get created: by modelling them and remodelling them until a point of satisfaction is reached but the arrow of time means all systems need to be remodelled as disintegration attacks even man-made system.

Lee is so full of hot lava he is literally overflowing and we all just can't seem to look away: but perhaps we're all just a bit too pervy to bring ourselves to do just that Cheesy

This is why I call it 'pause button politics' because it has no legs.

Trump knows it's a failure of the markets just like Rudd did: and all markets are regulated so when the time comes he just ticks a few boxes and bang he's got two terms! The discussion is over rates-of-change and if change is really desperately necessary or not as business requires certainty- they all know it's happening it's just everyone hates moving.

I hate moving. We all hate moving.

Simple as that! It's just pause button politics Wink

Great post, DRAH!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21639 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #77 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:04pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 7:22pm: More fantasy, more desperation. I never said the Arctic was 40°F above normal. You're right. It was only most of the US and Canada. Jovial Monk wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 6:51pm: As to global cooling, ahahaha, how come most of the US and Canada had temperatures over 40°F above normal?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21639 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #78 - May 24^th, 2017 at 9:12pm BTW- did you check out the power on theVega that sailed the Arctic in the 19th century? Propulsion : Sails, 70 hp auxiliary steam engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vega_(1872) Sails and a 40hp donk? A smaller motor than most outboards these days.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #79 - May 25^th, 2017 at 9:29am May 23rd Greenland melt increased again.
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Reply #80 - May 25^th, 2017 at 11:31am

lee wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

BTW- did you check out the power on theVega that sailed the Arctic in the 19th century?

Propulsion : Sails, 70 hp auxiliary steam engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vega_(1872)

Sails and a 40hp donk? A smaller motor than most outboards these days.

How long did it take and what route was taken?

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #81 - May 25^th, 2017 at 11:33am Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 9:29am: May 23rd Greenland melt increased again. ..what I want to know is if that means the jetstream got weaker in direct relationship!???! You can't expect direct relationships in complex systems, of course- that is when the system becomes simple by definition
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Reply #82 - May 25^th, 2017 at 11:57am

As the Arctic warmed temperatures on both sides of Jet Stream approached equality and that weakened it.

It now meanders and can’t block occasional excursion of lobes of Arctic air heading south until blocked by another weather system, causing cold, snow etc.

I think something similar happens with the Antarctic and very cold air, snow etc travels up the east coast of Australia. Meantime the cyclone/anticyclone belt has moved south, drying out the southern half of Australia.

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Reply #83 - May 25^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

TheFunPolice wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

How long did it take and what route was taken?

2 years to complete. And the northeast passage.
But you could have googled that.

Why would the route matter? It wasn't a race over a predetermined course.

Also 150 tons compare that to the modern ships. No modern navigation aids. A true feat of seamanship.

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Reply #84 - May 25^th, 2017 at 12:54pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:57am:

It now meanders and can’t block occasional excursion of lobes of Arctic air heading south until blocked by another weather system, causing cold, snow etc.

"The study shows the jet stream's plunging pattern is a long-standing natural phenomenon. However, the findings also suggest that global warming may boost the frequency or intensity of the curves, which would mean more winter extremes in the United States and Canada, the researchers said. The study was published today (April 16) in the journal Nature Communications."

http://www.livescience.com/44881-jet-stream-history-north-america.html

Wow. "May boost the frequency or intensity of the curves"
Not both? Which one? May be it won't also, after all it is only a suggestion. Wink

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Reply #85 - May 25^th, 2017 at 12:57pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:57am:

As the Arctic warmed temperatures on both sides of Jet Stream approached equality and that weakened it.

It now meanders and can’t block occasional excursion of lobes of Arctic air heading south until blocked by another weather system, causing cold, snow etc.

I think something similar happens with the Antarctic and very cold air, snow etc travels up the east coast of Australia. Meantime the cyclone/anticyclone belt has moved south, drying out the southern half of Australia.

Cheers mate, I'll try and keep some of that in mind Wink

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Reply #86 - May 25^th, 2017 at 12:58pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

How long did it take and what route was taken?

2 years to complete. And the northeast passage.
But you could have googled that.

Why would the route matter? It wasn't a race over a predetermined course.

Also 150 tons compare that to the modern ships. No modern navigation aids. A true feat of seamanship.

The point is no-one cares about the north-east passage in this context so you're all fake news buddy Cheesy

hey, i know: why don't I own the internet and impress daddykins to get the spare rental Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - May 25^th, 2017 at 1:01pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 11:57am:

It now meanders and can’t block occasional excursion of lobes of Arctic air heading south until blocked by another weather system, causing cold, snow etc.

"The study shows the jet stream's plunging pattern is a long-standing natural phenomenon. However, the findings also suggest that global warming may boost the frequency or intensity of the curves, which would mean more winter extremes in the United States and Canada, the researchers said. The study was published today (April 16) in the journal Nature Communications."

http://www.livescience.com/44881-jet-stream-history-north-america.html

Wow. "May boost the frequency or intensity of the curves"
Not both? Which one? May be it won't also, after all it is only a suggestion. Wink

Where is the quantitative argument?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21639 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #88 - May 25^th, 2017 at 1:14pm TheFunPolice wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 12:58pm: The point is no-one cares about the north-east passage in this context The point is it has been sailed before current. And then of course there are unsubstantiated stories of Arctic polar navigation in the 17th century. Who know what route they took?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #89 - May 25^th, 2017 at 1:48pm Unsubstantiated.
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