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Reply #630 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:20am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 5:07pm:
I knew you wouldn’t see where you are wrong!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

No Monk...

YOU are wrong....  the blindness is all YOURS.

Now that is funny and totally ironic. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #631 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:31am
 
Greenland Ice Mass Increase.

http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/23/reports-of-arctic-ice-death-have-been-greatly...

ICE MASS NEARS RECORD.

https://www.iceagenow.info/greenland-ice-sheet-growing-record-rate/

GREENLAND ICE SHEET GROWING AT RECORD RATE.

https://www.iceagenow.info/greenland-ice-sheet-defying-alarmist-predictions-show...

GREENLAND ICE SHEET DEFYING ALARMIST PREDICTIONS SHOWING MASSIVE GROWTH.

https://realclimatescience.com/2016/11/greenland-blowing-away-all-records-for-ic...

GREENLAND BLOWING AWAY ALL RECORDS FOR ICE GROWTH.

https://www.iceagenow.info/greenland-ice-mass-balance-increasing/

GREENLAND ICE MASS BALANCE INCREASING.

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31 May 2016 – In recent years, the glacial mass balance of Greenland is increasing despite announcements that global temperatures are on the rise; despite warnings that the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting; and despite announcements of a possible “blocked Gulf Stream “or catastrophic increase in sea level .”

The fact is, that snowfalls are higher than the amount of ice that melts, and the mass balance is strongly positive again this year.

Not only that, we are to the historical record for the end of the month of May: never before to have no thaw on this date!


Graphs and data provided by the DANISH METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.
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Reply #632 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:45am
 
Don’t forget all the ice that is lost at sea level. The Petermann glacier is about to join the Jacobshavn in shedding ice into the sea!

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The top graph shows how the surface mass balance gains then loses ice.
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Reply #633 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:49am
 
I think you will find Monk that when Winter hits Greenland this year the Ice Mass will once more increase.

Either way, YOU and all your Climate Change Cluckers, have not shown that Anthropogenic actions are a problem or the driver of Earth's climate.

Good luck with that.  AGW remains a theory and Gore's take on it where Correlation equals Causation is still unproven. Cheesy

Every wonder how losing all that Ice weight might affect the Island itself.  Greenland rising eh. Wink
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Reply #634 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:52am
 
Oh and Monk do try and address what people say and stay on topic eh, don't flood this topic with your usual crap and pictures.  Like you do everywhere else here. Roll Eyes
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Reply #635 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:55am
 
Gore is not a scientist.

The AGW theory is supported by measurements of IR in space (IR escaping earth decreases with CO2 concentration) and on the surface where IR redirected back increases with CO2 concentration.

The sun while the warming 1980–2017 happened has been in its relatively inactive state.

To anyone with a brain AGW theory is “proved.”

Because of AGW the three major icesheets are all destabilising. With another decade or two of AGW and the sun returning to its relatively active state those icesheets inexorably will be melting and sea levels starting a nine metre rise.

Listen to Prof Rignot:
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Reply #636 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:31am:
Greenland Ice Mass Increase.

GREENLAND ICE MASS BALANCE INCREASING.

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31 May 2016 – In recent years, the glacial mass balance of Greenland is increasing despite announcements that global temperatures are on the rise; despite warnings that the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting; and despite announcements of a possible “blocked Gulf Stream “or catastrophic increase in sea level .”

The fact is, that snowfalls are higher than the amount of ice that melts, and the mass balance is strongly positive again this year.

Not only that, we are to the historical record for the end of the month of May: never before to have no thaw on this date!


Graphs and data provided by the DANISH METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


This does not include the ice lost at sea level—the DMS site specifically says so. This year there was a huge number of icebergs floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The USCG Ice Patrol said it was three times the average number. A bit later the coast of Newfoundland to 40Km out at sea was choked with ice floes. This was ice that used to be on Greenland. You can read back in this thread for the data.

The shrillness of roach’s posts show he knows, but won’t admit to himself, that the world is heating and the ice melting.
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Reply #637 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
Jacobshavn glacier:

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Jakobshavn glacier, responsible for feeding flotillas of icebergs into the Ilulissat icefjord — and possibly for unleashing the iceberg that sank the Titanic — is an enormous outlet for the larger Greenland ice sheet, which itself contains enough ice to raise seas by more than 20 feet.

Of that ice, more than 6 percent flows toward the ocean through Jakobshavn, which has raced inland since the 1990s, pouring ever more of its mass into the seas — a change that scientists believe has been caused by warming ocean temperatures. If all of the ice that flows through this region were to melt, it would raise global sea levels by nearly two feet. Just from 2000 to 2011, the ice loss through Jakobshavn alone caused the global sea level to rise by a millimeter.

The U.S. east coast in particular is already a “hot spot” for sea level rise, with rates in many areas exceeding the current global average of a little over 3 millimeters per year.

But until now, researchers have not been sure how far Jakobshavn’s ice extends below sea level — or how much deeper it gets further inland. That’s crucial because Jakobshavn is undergoing a dangerous “marine ice sheet instability,” in which oceanfront glaciers that grow deeper further inland are prone to unstoppable retreat down what scientists call a “retrograde” slope.

That’s where the new science comes in: Researchers who flew over Jakobshavn in a helicopter toting a gravimeter, used to detect the gravitational pull of the ice and deduce its mass, say they’ve found the glacier extends even deeper below sea level than previously realized, a configuration that sets the stage for further retreat.

“The way the bed looks, sort of makes it more prone to continuous retreat for decades to come,” said one of the study’s authors, Eric Rignot, a researcher with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of California-Irvine.

Rignot conducted the research with colleagues from his own institution, New York University, the University of Kansas, and Sander Geophysics, which makes the gravimeter used in the study. The study was led by Lu An of the University of California-Irvine, and published in Geophysical Research Letters.


Prof Rignot is the scientist talking in that video describing how the three main icesheets are destabilising.

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Full on retreat there!

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The study found that Jakobshavn is close to 0.7 miles thick where it currently touches the ocean (with only a little over a football field of ice rising above the water and the rest submerged). However, only about five to 10 miles inland toward the center of Greenland, the glacier grows considerably thicker and plunges deeper below sea level, eventually becoming over a mile thick, with nearly a mile of that mass extending below the sea surface. Moreover, the glacier is deep over a vast area.

Along most of that distance, the ice will get steadily deeper and thicker, favoring faster retreat. The glacier front is currently moving backward at about a third of a mile per year, and so will plunge into these deeper regions over the course of coming decades.

The greater depth of Jakobshavn matters for at least two reasons. As it retreats, Jakobshavn will present a thicker ice front to the warm ocean, leading to even greater ice flow and loss. Meanwhile, the depth itself favors increased ice loss because at the extreme pressures involved, the freezing point of ice itself actually changes, making it more susceptible to melting by relatively warm seawater in the deepest part of the fjord.


Accelerating melt means accelerating sea level rise.

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The deep passageway below Jakobshavn also underscores that, like another enormous Greenland glacier (the far northern Petermann glacier), this outlet connects with a vast and submerged system of canyons that deeply undercut Greenland and travel to its center beneath the ice sheet.

“It’s a direct conduit to the heart of Greenland,” Rignot said. (For a NASA video showing the two vast canyons beneath Greenland’s ice, one connected to Jakobshavn and one to Petermann, see here.)

A few simple calculations help underscore why a further retreat — and accompanying thickening — of Jakobshavn glacier could be such a problem.

Greenland is the world’s largest contributor to sea level rise — according to NASA, it is contributing 281 billion tons of ice to the ocean every year, nearly enough to cause 1 millimeter of sea level rise annually. (It takes 360 billion tons to do that.) That’s from all the various Greenland glaciers and from general melting of the ice sheet that then runs off into the ocean — but Jakobshavn is the single biggest ice loser.


Prof Rignot mentioned that the Petermann glacier is starting to show signs of destabilisation, leading to even more rapid sea rises!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/04/11/scientists-...
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Reply #638 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 12:43pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
. This was ice that used to be on Greenland.



Have you got the results for that DNA check to prove where they came from?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
This year there was a huge number of icebergs floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The USCG Ice Patrol said it was three times the average number. A bit later the coast of Newfoundland to 40Km out at sea was choked with ice floes.


I notice the Ice Service hasn't released there 2017 report yet.

"By definition,  the  “Ice  Year”  spans  the  time period  between  01  October  of  the  previous year and 30 September of the current year."

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/iip/2016_IIP_Annual_Report.pdf

Making up "data" again.
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Reply #639 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 1:23pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:31am:
Greenland Ice Mass Increase.

GREENLAND ICE MASS BALANCE INCREASING.

Quote:
31 May 2016 – In recent years, the glacial mass balance of Greenland is increasing despite announcements that global temperatures are on the rise; despite warnings that the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting; and despite announcements of a possible “blocked Gulf Stream “or catastrophic increase in sea level .”

The fact is, that snowfalls are higher than the amount of ice that melts, and the mass balance is strongly positive again this year.

Not only that, we are to the historical record for the end of the month of May: never before to have no thaw on this date!


Graphs and data provided by the DANISH METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


This does not include the ice lost at sea level—the DMS site specifically says so. This year there was a huge number of icebergs floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The USCG Ice Patrol said it was three times the average number. A bit later the coast of Newfoundland to 40Km out at sea was choked with ice floes. This was ice that used to be on Greenland. You can read back in this thread for the data.

The shrillness of roach’s posts show he knows, but won’t admit to himself, that the world is heating and the ice melting.

I'm not shrill, that's your blood pressure messing with your head, if anyone is shrill Monk, take a look at the chief denier in the mirror.
I'm cool, calm and collected. Roll Eyes
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Reply #640 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
. This was ice that used to be on Greenland.



Have you got the results for that DNA check to prove where they came from?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
This year there was a huge number of icebergs floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The USCG Ice Patrol said it was three times the average number. A bit later the coast of Newfoundland to 40Km out at sea was choked with ice floes.


I notice the Ice Service hasn't released there 2017 report yet.

"By definition,  the  “Ice  Year”  spans  the  time period  between  01  October  of  the  previous year and 30 September of the current year."

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/iip/2016_IIP_Annual_Report.pdf

Making up "data" again.


No, I quoted the USCG Ice Patrol.
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Reply #641 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 3:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
This year there was a huge number of icebergs floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The USCG Ice Patrol said it was three times the average number.



I notice they do not say it was "unprecedented". They also do not give a number.

Was it three times the average number for that month, day, week?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:23am:
A bit later the coast of Newfoundland to 40Km out at sea was choked with ice floes.


I can't find any reference to being "choked" by ice floes. Wink
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Reply #642 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 4:20pm
 
Oh btw Monk, glaciers have been calving forever, that is what they do.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4788594/Incredible-footage-shows-...

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Reply #643 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Oh btw Monk, glaciers have been calving forever, that is what they do.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4788594/Incredible-footage-shows-...


Wow! roach says something that is correct!  Grin Grin Grin Grin

It is also irrelevant. Oops.

Have you seen the rate of retreat of the Jacobshavn glacier? Or read about how it gets deeper further inland meaning the rate of calving is due for exponential increase?

Like Lees you just skim over the actual reports from scientists, don’t you? Wouldn’t do to dent your ignorance.
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Reply #644 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:07pm
 
No Monk, what YOU say is irrelevant... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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