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Reply #315 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 1:36pm
 
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Reply #316 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
You complain of DRAH posting repetitive stuff, looked at your own posts lately, roach?
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Reply #317 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
Will 2017 see a new Arctic Ice minimum? Could be, apparently:

http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2017/07/piomas-july-2017.html

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A recent slowdown
July 18, 2017

Arctic extent nearly matched 2012 values through the first week of July, but the rate of decline slowed during the second week. Weather patterns were unremarkable during the first half of July.


Overview of conditions

As of July 17, Arctic sea ice extent stood at 7.88 million square kilometers (3.04 million square miles). This is 1.69 million square kilometers (653,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average, and 714,000 square kilometers (276,000 million square miles) below the interdecile range. Extent was lower than average over most of the Arctic, except for the East Greenland Sea (Figure 1). Hudson Bay was nearly ice free by mid July, much earlier than is typical, but in line with what has been observed in recent years.



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Talk of an Ice Age is drooling nonsense.
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Reply #318 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:22pm
 
So some sea ice melts in summer - big deal.

10 years ago they were predicting no ice at all -
what happened to that?

It's all lunatic nonsense that Jovial rests his arguments on.
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Reply #319 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:32pm
 
No, I describe what is happening.

Who predicted an ice clear Arctic, Booby?

Dubyne predicted in 2015 that the NW passage would be closed by thick ice in 2016. In 2016 a cruise ship sailed through the NW passage.

That is the sort of nonsense those stupid videos you like are based on.

The Arctic sea ice is reducing in extent and volume, Booby. There is no ice age in sight.
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Reply #320 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:48pm
 
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Earlier this year Arctic sea ice sank to a record low wintertime extent for the third straight year. Now NASA is flying a set of instruments north of Greenland to observe the impact of the melt season on the Arctic's oldest and thickest sea ice.

This older multiyear ice, once the bulwark of the Arctic sea ice pack, has dramatically thinned and shrunk in extent along with the warming climate: in the mid-1980s, multi-year ice accounted for 70 percent of total winter Arctic sea ice extent; by the end of 2012, this percentage had dropped to less than 20 percent.

"Most of the central Arctic Ocean used to be covered with thick multiyear ice that would not completely melt during the summer and reflect back sunshine," said Nathan Kurtz, IceBridge's project scientist and a sea ice researcher at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "But we have now lost most of this old ice and exposed the open ocean below, which absorbs most of the sun's energy. That's one reason the Arctic warming has increased nearly twice the global average -- when we lose the reflecting cover of the Arctic Ocean, we lose a mechanism to cool the planet."


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170724133153.htm

Clearly, the globe is warming not cooling.
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Reply #321 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
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This years melt paralells the record 2012 melt.
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Reply #322 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
No, I describe what is happening.

Who predicted an ice clear Arctic, Bobby?




Al Gore Predicted Arctic Summer Ice Could Disappear In 2013


By Barbara Hollingsworth | September 13, 2013 | 12:05 PM EDT

(CNSNews.com) –  A 2007 prediction that summer in the North Pole could be “ice-free by 2013” that was cited by former Vice President Al Gore in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech has proven to be off… by 920,000 square miles.

In his Dec. 10, 2007 “Earth has a fever” speech, Gore referred to a prediction by U.S. climate scientist Wieslaw Maslowski that the Arctic’s summer ice could “completely disappear” by 2013 due to global warming caused by carbon emissions.



http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/wrong-al-gore-predicte...
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Reply #323 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
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Parkinson used microwave data collected by NASA and Department of Defense satellites for her study, which was published last December in the Journal of Climate. She added Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents month by month from November 1978 to December 2013 to determine the global ice extent for each month. Her analysis shows that over the 35-year period, the trend in ice extents was downward in all months of the year, even those corresponding to the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice maximum extents.

three graphed trend lines
Comparing Arctic sea ice loss to Antarctic sea ice gain shows that the planet has-been shedding sea ice at an average annual rate of 13,500 square miles since 1979, the equivalent of losing an area of sea ice larger than the state of Maryland every year.
Credits: NASA's Earth Observatory/Joshua Stevens and Jesse Allen
Furthermore, the global ice decrease has accelerated: in the first half of the record (1979-96), the sea ice loss was about 8,300 square miles (21,500 square kilometers) per year. This rate more than doubled for the second half of the period (1996 to 2013), when there was an average loss of 19,500 square miles (50,500 square kilometers) per year – an average yearly loss larger than the states of Vermont and New Hampshire combined.

“This doesn’t mean the sea ice loss will continue to accelerate,” Parkinson said. “After all, there are limits. For instance, once all the Arctic ice is gone in the summer, the Arctic summertime ice loss can’t accelerate any further.”

Sea ice has diminished in almost all regions of the Arctic, whereas the sea ice increases in the Antarctic are less widespread geographically. Although the sea ice cover expanded in most of the Southern Ocean between 1979 and 2013, it decreased substantially in the Bellingshausen and Amundsen seas. These two seas are close to the Antarctic Peninsula, a region that has warmed significantly over the last decades.

In her study, Parkinson also shows that the annual cycle of global ice extents is more similar to the annual cycle of the Antarctic ice than the Arctic ice. The global minimum ice extent occurs in February of each year, as does the Antarctic minimum extent, and the global maximum sea ice extent occurs in either October or November, one or two months after the Antarctic maximum. This contrasts with the Arctic minimum occurring in September and the Arctic maximum occurring in March. Averaged over the 35 years of the satellite record, the planet’s monthly ice extents range from a minimum of 7.03 million square miles (18.2 million square kilometers) in February to a maximum of 10.27 million square miles (26.6 million square kilometers) in November.

“One of the reasons people care about sea ice decreases is that sea ice is highly reflective whereas the liquid ocean is very absorptive,” Parkinson said. “So when the area of sea ice coverage is reduced, there is a smaller sea ice area reflecting the sun’s radiation back to space. This means more retention of the sun’s radiation within the Earth system and further heating.”


https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-study-shows-global-sea-ice-diminishing...
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Reply #324 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
You complain of DRAH posting repetitive stuff, looked at your own posts lately, roach?

Nope
I hardly ever complain at all.
But Lobotomy does post mostly nonsensical, wrong, inarticulate rubbish....  Can we get back on topic now?

And I did offer to buy you a T-Shirt... Grin Grin Grin
Ingrate. Roll Eyes
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Reply #325 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
No, I describe what is happening.

Who predicted an ice clear Arctic, Bobby?




Al Gore Predicted Arctic Summer Ice Could Disappear In 2013


By Barbara Hollingsworth | September 13, 2013 | 12:05 PM EDT

(CNSNews.com) –  A 2007 prediction that summer in the North Pole could be “ice-free by 2013” that was cited by former Vice President Al Gore in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech has proven to be off… by 920,000 square miles.

In his Dec. 10, 2007 “Earth has a fever” speech, Gore referred to a prediction by U.S. climate scientist Wieslaw Maslowski that the Arctic’s summer ice could “completely disappear” by 2013 due to global warming caused by carbon emissions.



http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/wrong-al-gore-predicte...



Jovial,
would you like to apologise on behalf of Al Gore?
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Reply #326 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
No, I describe what is happening.

Who predicted an ice clear Arctic, Booby?

Dubyne predicted in 2015 that the NW passage would be closed by thick ice in 2016. In 2016 a cruise ship sailed through the NW passage.

That is the sort of nonsense those stupid videos you like are based on.

The Arctic sea ice is reducing in extent and volume, Booby. There is no ice age in sight.

Almost as ridiculous as pretending predicting what the weather will be like or sea levels will be or ice thickness will be in 100 years from now eh? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #327 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
Al Gore is not a scientist. Nor is the liar Dubyne.
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Reply #328 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Al Gore is not a scientist. Nor is the liar Dubyne.

But YOU believe one and NOT the other, someone has a serious credibility problem eh... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #329 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Al Gore is not a scientist. Nor is the liar Dubyne.



Jovial,
it was Al Gore who started all this nonsense.
You believed it like a gullible, puerile, fool.

Now - apologise.

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