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Reply #300 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 12:11pm
 
Nah.
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Reply #301 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 11:55pm:
Nah, they were there to investigate the ice. They knew it was there.

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yep. Lied about the cruise ship being an icebreaker.
and
" Turney falsely claimed that the “science case” for the tour had been “approved by the New Zealand Department of Conservation, the Tasmanian Parks and Wildlife Service and the Australian Antarctic Division”, an assertion that was quickly denied by the head of the Australian Antarctic Division,"
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Reply #302 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 12:11pm:
Nah.

careful, your ignorance is showing.
I heard the leader state just what I said on the news Monkeyboy.
Except for the irony bit...  I think the cost blowout was an embarrassment.  Had to get an Icebreaker in to rescue them you know. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #303 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I think the cost blowout was an embarrassment.  Had to get an Icebreaker in to rescue them you know. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Actually two icebreakers. The first one also got stuck.
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Reply #304 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:36pm
 
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Reply #305 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
Melt picking up late in melt season:

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Bit of a weird melt season this year.
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Re: Ice watch
Reply #306 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I think the cost blowout was an embarrassment.  Had to get an Icebreaker in to rescue them you know. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Actually two icebreakers. The first one also got stuck.

In what?
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Reply #307 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:47am
 
Who cares?
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Reply #308 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Who cares?



Jovial doesn't care because the facts don't suit his false argument.

He's a disingenuous fool.

But he doesn't fool me - I'm too smart for his nonsense.
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Reply #309 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 12:14pm
 
So smart you believe a transparent liar. So smart you can’t refute a letter of any critiques I make of his stupid videos!

Yeah, really smart  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #310 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:38am:
lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I think the cost blowout was an embarrassment.  Had to get an Icebreaker in to rescue them you know. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Actually two icebreakers. The first one also got stuck.

In what?



Tofu.
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Reply #311 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 2:53pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 11:38am:
lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:28pm:
I think the cost blowout was an embarrassment.  Had to get an Icebreaker in to rescue them you know. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Actually two icebreakers. The first one also got stuck.

In what?



Tofu.

Lee doesn't know  Grin
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Reply #312 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:07am
 
Cool article including photos of the breakup of the Larsen C iceshelf:

https://www.livescience.com/59947-images-of-larsen-c-iceberg-movement.html

Photos were taken by IR cameras on satellites.

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Reply #313 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:28am
 
Meanwhile, on Greenland:

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Reply #314 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 1:35pm
 
Oh dear...  why is it you keep posting bell curves for a year?  You do realise that Summer in the Northern hemisphere is during our Winter months right?

Anyway since you seem to like believing alarmists like Gore and De Caprio heres something more factual to get your teeth into.

https://globalmillennial.org/north-american-environmental-issues/greenland-melti...

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See, what these two cases have in common is that they fail to comment on Greenland's situation in the winter, instead, only detailing ice loss in warm months, as if we didn't already know ice melted in warmer temperatures.

Greenland’s ice sheet kicked off 2017 gaining about eight gigatons of snow and ice, which is well above what’s usually added to the ice sheet Jan. 1 for the last 24 years, according to Danish meteorologists.

In fact, Greenland’s ice sheet has been gaining ice and snow at a rate not seen in years based on Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) data. DMI reports the Greenland ice sheet’s “mass surface budget” has been growing significantly since October.

Greenland’s “surface mass budget” for winter 2016-2017 is already more than two standard deviations higher than the northern ice sheet’s mean snow and ice accumulation over the last 24 years. DMI data shows the ice sheet added 8 gigatons of ice and snow Jan. 1, well above the standard deviation for that day.


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Suppose Greenland actually is losing 200GT of ice per year from glacial calving and subsurface melt. Glacial calving is caused by ice flow and increases when the ice gets thicker and flows faster — not by melting.

Perhaps Greenland is losing ice from melting below the surface, maybe where it contacts the bedrock. That melting can’t be from heat coming from the top down through the ice, or the surface would be melting first.

The point is that any atmospheric induced melting will show up at the surface first. Ice lose that does not show up as a surface ice loss is not from global warming. Non-atmospheric melting and ice loss may very well be taking place, but if it is, it is NOT caused by CO2 and a warming planet.


As for the 200GT of ice loss — it sounds huge, but it isn’t. The Greenland ice sheet has close to 3,000,000 GT of ice. If it melted, sea level would rise just about 24 feet. At 200 GT per year you are looking at 15,000 years for it to all melt. That works out to less than 2/100th of an inch per year of sea level rise.


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However, after briefly looking into the issue of Greenland’s melting ice sheet, the situation isn’t as drastic as you could be led to believe. Yes, Greenland’s ice is shrinking by about 200Gt/year, which may sound like a lot, but in hindsight, is only approximately 0.01% of Greenland’s overall ice.

Furthermore, claims that Greenland is losing 269 billion tonnes of ice a year don’t take into account that the mass is growing in the winter (crazy, right?!).


Well look at that the science agree with me after all. Wink
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