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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21604 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #30 - May 21^st, 2017 at 7:30pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 7:28pm: See how you go tomorrow. A scientist who doesn't know the meaning of a direct quote.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #31 - May 21^st, 2017 at 8:05pm Will test you several times over the week.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #32 - May 21^st, 2017 at 8:50pm And Lees beats his previous effort! Well done Lees!
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Reply #33 - May 21^st, 2017 at 8:56pm

We are doomed.

It's actually too late to fix the problem. The Arctic and Antarctic are experiencing faster temperature rise than the rest of the world. The situation is past the tipping point where it accelerates.

Even if all manmade greenhouse gas emissions were stopped now, the temperature rise would continue for some decades before it could be arrested.

CO2 and Methane release is a positive feedback function whereby as the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causes temperature rise which accelerates the release of greenhouse gases from soils and frozen regions.

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Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2017 at 9:05pm

Yeah, not even adaptation or mitigation has been pursued at all vigorously.

I remain optimistic—but upheavals there will be.

If we had to, aerosols would be pumped into the upper atmosphere so that more sunlight is reflected back out to space. Meantime, reafforestation—with trees and faster growing bamboo—with the timber/bamboo harvested turned into permanent products like flooring.

Many coastal communities will need to relocate further inland or sea defences built.

The melting of Antarctic will be the turning point, once it starts adding to sea level rise the message will be undeniable.

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Re: Ice watch
Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2017 at 9:14pm

Unforgiven wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 8:56pm:

Antarctic are experiencing faster temperature rise than the rest of the world.

Citation needed. Although this seems to be scary -NOT. Wink

Unforgiven wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 8:56pm:

CO2 and Methane release is a positive feedback function whereby as the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causes temperature rise which accelerates the release of greenhouse gases from soils and frozen regions.

And where did you get the information it has never happened before. You know those periods as warm or warmer than now.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #36 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34am May 20th melting on Greenland continues, well above average for this time of year. 2012 was a year of record melting, three large surges of melting, see how 2017 matches up to that. Still early days tho. Interactive chart here: http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/greenland-surface-melt-extent-interactive-chart...
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Reply #37 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 11:21am

Jovial Monk wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34am:

May 20th melting on Greenland continues, well above average for this time of year.

Still above the 1981 -2010 average on the DMI page. Roll Eyes

Citation needed. Your graph only represents averages from 1981. Or did you mean it was above average in comparison to your graph?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:34am:

Still early days tho.

Yep. But it won't stop you bleating. Wink

Melting in summer; who woudda thunk.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 7:28pm Let us have a look at the Arctic: Nah, no warming.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21604 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #39 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:42pm Which model did they use for multi-year ice? What are the attached error bars?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:20pm You need error bars????
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21604 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:20pm: You need error bars???? You think multi-year ice graphs are that accurate that they don't need them? That their estimations are perfect?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm The two conditions are so far apart one is on the sun and one on pluto. No need for bloody error bars! I do keep telling you to buy and read that “Statistics for Dummies.” Remember this graph from the OP? That is just sea ice extent. No, asking for error bars here is just a sign of desperation.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21604 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #43 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:38pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm: Remember this graph from the OP? Yes and it is only from 1979. And then of course somehow you have to extrapolate sea ice extent to sea ice volume. And then you have to determine how old the old ice is. That's not statistics.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ice watch Reply #44 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:44pm Sea ice is measured not inferred from sea ice extent. The two charts are chalk and cheese and show just how much the Arctic has warmed. Error bars
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