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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104485	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #15 - May 5^th, 2017 at 2:14pm mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:15pm: Another useless thread Over your head, was it? No, it just doesn't have any leftards in it. Can't we find microbes that discriminate? Not racist, of course. Microbes are not a race.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42358 Gender:	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #16 - May 5^th, 2017 at 2:49pm Quick, there is an unknown disease in ULAS J0744+25 . Let's all .......... fret about it.
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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 36810 Gender:	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #17 - May 5^th, 2017 at 2:51pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Quick, there is an unknown disease in ULAS J0744+25 . Let's all .......... fret about it. So, quite some distance over your head then?
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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104485	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #18 - May 5^th, 2017 at 5:09pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Quick, there is an unknown disease in ULAS J0744+25 . Let's all .......... fret about it. Quick, there's a woman in a niqab on Park Street. Let's all... Cesterete them.
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Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ...
Reply #19 - May 5^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

There is almost certainly vicious microbes laying dormant and the defrosting permafrost is probably a hazard, how serious a hazard I have no idea.

The Spanish flu is an interesting one, we may have lost resistance to that strain by now, plus if it can share DNA with other viruses we could have another outbreak.

We are sitting ducks with about 1 million people in the air at any time of the day, any virus can get 360 degree distribution in a very short time.
Its ironic we have much stronger quarantine laws for plants and animals than we have for humans.

Its almost certain that we will have more pandemics, as our population gets higher the greater the chance for a viral mutation,,, its natures way of keeping the population down.

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Reply #20 - May 5^th, 2017 at 7:43pm

miketrees wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

There is almost certainly vicious microbes laying dormant and the defrosting permafrost is probably a hazard, how serious a hazard I have no idea.

The Spanish flu is an interesting one, we may have lost resistance to that strain by now, plus if it can share DNA with other viruses we could have another outbreak.

We are sitting ducks with about 1 million people in the air at any time of the day, any virus can get 360 degree distribution in a very short time.
Its ironic we have much stronger quarantine laws for plants and animals than we have for humans.

Its almost certain that we will have more pandemics, as our population gets higher the greater the chance for a viral mutation,,, its natures way of keeping the population down.

Nature can go and get fcked. We'll keep our own population down, thanks.

Ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them.

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Reply #21 - May 5^th, 2017 at 8:16pm

Enquiring mind wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Another useless thread

Over your head, was it?

No, it just doesn't have any leftards in it.

Can't we find microbes that discriminate?

Not racist, of course. Microbes are not a race.

Alas, we cannot convince the microbes o discriminate.

We can, however, deny medical treatment to people we don't like.

Will that do?

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Reply #22 - May 5^th, 2017 at 8:26pm

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Another useless thread

Over your head, was it?

No, it just doesn't have any leftards in it.

Can't we find microbes that discriminate?

Not racist, of course. Microbes are not a race.

Alas, we cannot convince the microbes o discriminate.

We can, however, deny medical treatment to people we don't like.

Will that do?

It's a start I suppose, but our ultimate objective should be to eradicate them.

Freeeedom, innit.

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Reply #23 - May 5^th, 2017 at 8:28pm

Enquiring mind wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Another useless thread

Over your head, was it?

No, it just doesn't have any leftards in it.

Can't we find microbes that discriminate?

Not racist, of course. Microbes are not a race.

Alas, we cannot convince the microbes o discriminate.

We can, however, deny medical treatment to people we don't like.

Will that do?

It's a start I suppose, but our ultimate objective should be to eradicate them.

Freeeedom, innit.

Well, we've also damned their rivers, making stagnant bodies of water that breed copious amounts of disease bearing mosquitoes.

And then there's the odd haemorrhagic fever.

Patience.

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Reply #24 - May 6^th, 2017 at 10:07am

mothra wrote on May 5^th, 2017 at 12:47pm:

How much should we be concerned about all this?
One argument is that the risk from permafrost pathogens is inherently unknowable, so they should not overtly concern us. Instead, we should focus on more established threats from climate change. For instance, as Earth warms northern countries will become more susceptible to outbreaks of "southern" diseases like malaria, cholera and dengue fever, as these pathogens thrive at warmer temperatures.
The alternative perspective is that we should not ignore risks just because we cannot quantify them.

"Following our work and that of others, there is now a non-zero probability that pathogenic microbes could be revived, and infect us," says Claverie. "How likely that is is not known, but it's a possibility. It could be bacteria that are curable with antibiotics, or resistant bacteria, or a virus. If the pathogen hasn't been in contact with humans for a long time, then our immune system would not be prepared. So yes, that could be dangerous."

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-the...

As our history shows the Earth warms and cools as part of her natural cycle with reference to all the many natural influential factors that govern these cycles.

We have been warming since 1700 coming out of the little ice age.

This is not the first time bacteria and viruses have survived frozen by a cold spell to come back and infect us.

Climate change has been happening since the Earth formed and will continue until the Earth is no more, man cannot bottle climate change all he can hope is to adapt to it.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34130 Gender:	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #25 - May 6^th, 2017 at 10:17am Yes this isn't new news it been happening since day dot. Old diseases resurfacing for one reason & another anti-vaxxers also have a hand in the resurgence of once eliminated diseases.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122508 Melbourne Gender:	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #26 - May 6^th, 2017 at 10:22am Gnads wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 10:17am: Yes this isn't new news it been happening since day dot. Old diseases resurfacing for one reason & another anti-vaxxers also have a hand in the resurgence of once eliminated diseases. Disease is nature's way of controlling the population.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: There are diseases hidden in the ice ... Reply #27 - May 6^th, 2017 at 10:42am Antivaxxers are a pernicious influence. Measles outbreaks are “just childhood diseases” to them tho some have died from it recently. I wonder when the next polio epidemic will hit? Some of the diseases have acquired resistance to antibiotics. TB for one.
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Reply #28 - May 7^th, 2017 at 11:38am

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Climate change is melting permafrost soils that have been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria that, having lain dormant, are springing back to life.

Viruses and Bacteria that have been dormant for thousands of years, we are likely to have ZERO immunity to.

With global mobility these pathogens are likely to spread to even developed countries.

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Reply #29 - May 7^th, 2017 at 11:44am

The_Barnacle wrote on May 7^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

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Climate change is melting permafrost soils that have been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria that, having lain dormant, are springing back to life.

Viruses and Bacteria that have been dormant for thousands of years, we are likely to have ZERO immunity to.

With global mobility these pathogens are likely to spread to even developed countries.

I don't know where you got your quote.

"By definition, frozen ground or permafrost has existed below 0°C for over 2 years."

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/antarctic/research/permafrost

Not saying it can't be "frozen for thousands of years". But it may not be.

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