Australian Politics Forum - Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid

miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #90 - May 27^th, 2017 at 12:57pm I wonder if our legislators may have to mandate that homes with solar and are connected to the grid must have a certain amount of storage onsite? Lee , I think solar is going to win in the end, they are bumbling along but they will get there.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #91 - May 27^th, 2017 at 1:26pm The councils were proposing to pay what it took to make it economic for NBN Co to roll out fibre in the towns. The Nats let the Libs destroy the NBN, they routinely now betray their supporters like this.
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Reply #92 - May 27^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

miketrees wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

I wonder if our legislators may have to mandate that homes with solar and are connected to the grid must have a certain amount of storage onsite?

Lee , I think solar is going to win in the end, they are bumbling along but they will get there.

Small scale, decentralised solar, I think with wind for the big installations. I would like to see nuclear here as part of the mix. We also need to nationalise the electricity grid.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #93 - May 27^th, 2017 at 1:44pm nationalise the electricity grid. No, then governments can stuff it up. Just let them legislate and thats all.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #94 - May 27^th, 2017 at 2:06pm No way, Mike! The stuffing up happens under private ownership: prices rise and costs, corners are cut until a bit of wind topples transmission towers.
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Reply #95 - May 27^th, 2017 at 2:31pm

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 27^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

Rural councils were negotiating with NBN Co for copayment to bring FTTH to towns otherwise slated for FW. A sensible move that the Libs killed such is their obsession to not roll out anymore fibre than they absolutely have to.

Nothing about cost–effectiveness

Yes. Cost effectiveness. Was there a study done of this proposed FTTH in rural areas?

You have to laugh at poopypants Lees. Worried about the cost effectiveness of some rollouts that didn’t end up happening. Meantime, the Libs are spending $60Bn on a heap of junk that will need to be ripped up and replaced by FTTH ASAP.

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Reply #96 - May 27^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

JV governments have been stuffing around in fear of raising prices, which has sent the wrong message to consumers and they have failed to invest because they are short of money.

We are better paying more and getting a privatized service.

Governments can still regulate penalties for non supply or faulty infrastructure.

We have to start paying real prices.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #97 - May 27^th, 2017 at 3:29pm Mike, I am in SA. One of the fricking towers that collapsed had about as much cement around the foot that got ripped out the ground as you and I would put around a fricking fence post! Nope, power is one of those natural monopolies that should NEVER be privatised!
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #98 - May 27^th, 2017 at 8:47pm One of the fricking towers that collapsed had about as much cement around the foot that got ripped out the ground as you and I would put around a fricking fence post! Contractors the world over will resort to cheating if left unsupervised,,, better oversight required
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid Reply #99 - May 28^th, 2017 at 8:59am Too many states did away with their Public Works Departments and boy are we paying the price for that! But natural monopolies should never be privatised.
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