Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print
Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid (Read 6358 times)
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #75 - May 14th, 2017 at 10:11am
 
Quote:
Dutch officials have opened what is being billed as one of the world’s largest offshore wind farms, with 150 turbines spinning far out in the North Sea.

Over the next 15 years the Gemini windpark, which lies some 85km (53 miles) off the northern coast of the Netherlands, will meet the energy needs of about 1.5 million people.

At full tilt the windpark has a generating capacity of 600 megawatts and will help supply 785,000 Dutch households with renewable energy, according to the company.

“We are now officially in the operational stage,” the company’s managing director Matthias Haag said, celebrating the completion of a project first conceived in 2010.

The €2.8bn ($3bn) project is a collaboration between the Canadian independent renewable energy company Northland Power, wind turbine manufacturer Siemens Wind Power, Dutch maritime contractor Van Oord and waste processing company HVC.

It was “quite a complex” undertaking, Haag said, “particularly as this windpark lies relatively far offshore ... so it took quite a lot of logistics”


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/09/full-tilt-giant-offshore-win...

But here we have “hydro II”
yay

Back to top
« Last Edit: May 14th, 2017 at 10:17am by Jovial Monk »  

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #76 - May 14th, 2017 at 10:26am
 
Quote:
Q&A: How rural co-ops can help lead the smart grid transition

Rural electric cooperatives spread across the U.S. in the 1930s to electrify parts of the country where as many as nine out of ten rural homes lacked electricity. Today, many of those co-ops are building on that legacy by deploying an advanced, 21st-century version of the electricity distribution systems they brought to farms decades ago.

In some cases, rural America is seeing the smart grid arrive at their doorstep well before their urban and suburban counterparts.

Phil Carson, director of the Tri-County Electric Co-op in Illinois, is the new president of the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association.

As the newly elected, two-year-term president of the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA), Phil Carson has a bird’s-eye view of grid modernization efforts underway in rural America. Carson also sits on the board of directors at Tri-County Electric Cooperative in Mt. Vernon, Illinois, giving him an up-close-and-personal look at the challenges and opportunities facing rural power providers in the age of the smart grid.


Quote:
Midwest Energy News: What role should rural cooperatives play in the emerging 21st-century smart grid? 


Carson: I think we have a unique opportunity to play a key role in this. Our co-op business model is not-for-profit, member owned, member-controlled [and] service-oriented. It’s a unique business model and it makes us really flexible and responsive to member needs and wishes. . . .

For instance, here in Illinois, we have 25 cooperatives and it’s my understanding that 24 of them have already deployed their AMI systems, and I think the other co-op is the only one outside that is probably ready to take the plunge as well. So I think that’s one example of where we’ve made really good progress in adapting to grid modernization.

The other area that falls under this category would be the way that we have gotten into renewable energy. What we’ve done there is really adapted and adopted new technologies. Co-ops for instance lead the way on community solar: 75 percent of community solar is owned by electric co-ops across the United States.


I love this bit. Rural areas here were redhot for FTTH, offering to copay, until the Coalition got into govt and the Nats sold out their supporters by letting the Libs kill the NBN:

Quote:
And finally, the third leg of the stool that we would ask for in an infrastructure bill would be broadband – prioritize that out in rural areas. Eighty years ago when FDR stepped to the plate and said we’ve got to get electricity into rural America, he used [the Rural Electrification Act (REA)] and set up the programs that allow us to do that. Co-ops took that and ran with it.

Even so today, we need broadband in much of a similar way. It’s kind of sporadic out in rural America and we need it for economic diversity, and we need it for in terms of education, we need it in terms of healthcare, advanced healthcare. I think we would, if we were given the program that would allow us economically to have the footing to be able to do that, we’d do it. And we’d do it the way we [deployed] electricity [in that] we made sure that folks had it and the money was wisely used. We think that’s really vital going forward for rural America.


http://midwestenergynews.com/2017/05/02/qa-how-rural-co-ops-can-help-lead-the-sm...
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #77 - May 14th, 2017 at 11:12am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Quote:
Utility-scale solar power, while still accounting for just a fraction of power in the U.S., has grown exponentially in the past seven years, according to an analysis from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

While the first utility-scale solar farms were installed in the 1980s, more than half of the country’s solar current capacity came online in the past two years.


http://fuelfix.com/blog/2017/05/08/utility-scale-solar-has-grown-exponentially-s...



Yep Huge fraction.

" Utility-scale solar (plants with a capacity of at least one megawatt) now makes up about 2% of all utility-scale electric generating capacity and 0.9% of utility-scale generation"

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=31072
Of course that's peak generation.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #78 - May 14th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 10:11am:
At full tilt the windpark has a generating capacity of 600 megawatts and will help supply 785,000 Dutch households with renewable energy, according to the company.


Peak capacity. How many will it supply intermittently?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #79 - May 14th, 2017 at 11:18am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 10:26am:
Quote:
And finally, the third leg of the stool that we would ask for in an infrastructure bill would be broadband – prioritize that out in rural areas. Eighty years ago when FDR stepped to the plate and said we’ve got to get electricity into rural America, he used [the Rural Electrification Act (REA)] and set up the programs that allow us to do that. Co-ops took that and ran with it.

Even so today, we need broadband in much of a similar way. It’s kind of sporadic out in rural America and we need it for economic diversity, and we need it for in terms of education, we need it in terms of healthcare, advanced healthcare. I think we would, if we were given the program that would allow us economically to have the footing to be able to do that, we’d do it. And we’d do it the way we [deployed] electricity [in that] we made sure that folks had it and the money was wisely used. We think that’s really vital going forward for rural America.



So even in the USA, where they have greater population density than here, they still don't have broadband, let alone FTTN, FTTH. Wink
Back to top
« Last Edit: May 14th, 2017 at 11:32am by lee »  
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #80 - May 16th, 2017 at 9:51am
 
Solar plus battery installations soar in WA south coast:

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/may/15/blackout-parties-ho...
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #81 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:22am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 9:51am:
Solar plus battery installations soar in WA south coast:

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/may/15/blackout-parties-ho...



Individual properties. So really microscale solar. Good for them.

And an ad for biofuels, Burn them and get more CO2. Wink
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #82 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
Quote:
Tesla’s Solar Roof Sets Musk’s Grand Unification Into Motion

“What is the future that we should have? What do we think the world should look like?”
by Tom Randall
May 11, 2017, 3:07 PM GMT+9:30

Tesla's Solar Roof Is Cheaper Than Expected
Tesla has begun taking orders for its transformative new solar roof. The pricing is competitive, and it marks the final piece in Elon Musk’s vision for a grand unification of his clean-energy ambitions—combining solar power, home batteries, and electric cars.

“These are really the three legs of the stool for a sustainable energy future,” Musk said. “Solar power going to a stationary battery pack so you have power at night, and then charging an electric vehicle … you can scale that to all the world’s demand.”

Tesla opened up its online store and began taking $1,000 deposits for two of four options unveiled in October: a smooth black glass and textured-glass roof tiles. From most viewing angles, the slick shingles look like standard roof materials, but they allow light to pass through from above onto a solar cell embedded beneath the tempered surface. The first installations will begin in the U.S. in June, though orders are being accepted from countries around the world for 2018.


...
These things produce electricity. Source Tesla


Quote:
The cost of Tesla’s solar roof is critical for determining whether it will be a niche product for the wealthy or the key to unlocking a residential solar market that has been slowing in the U.S. The pricing unveiled Wednesday was less than many analysts were expecting, including at Bloomberg New Energy Finance and Consumer Reports. When taking into account the energy savings and lifetime cost of ownership (Tesla guarantees it will outlast your home) it’s an affordable option in many areas of the country.

“The pricing is better than I expected, better than everyone expected,” said Hugh Bromley, a solar analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance who had been skeptical about the potential market impact of the new product. Tesla’s all-in cost for active solar tiles is about $42 per square foot, “significantly below” BNEF’s prior estimate of $68 per square foot, Bromley said. Inactive tiles will cost $11 per square foot, and Tesla says to expect an overall average of roughly $22 per square foot.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-11/tesla-s-solar-roof-sets-musk-...

Makes sense: why pay for a roof then pay to have solar cell panels placed on top of the roof? As volume rises prices should come down, competitors rise up etc. Neat.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #83 - May 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
The houses can't be loJovial Monk wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:13pm:
When taking into account the energy savings and lifetime cost of ownership (Tesla guarantees it will outlast your home) it’s an affordable option in many areas of the country.


Will the tiles outlast your home or will the solar still be working? They are two different things.

For another view of the product

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-11/why-teslas-solar-roof-just-another-gian...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #84 - May 19th, 2017 at 7:56am
 
FT article on the growth of renewable energy:
https://www.ft.com/content/44ed7e90-3960-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #85 - May 19th, 2017 at 12:00pm
 
Oh dear. Reality dawning even in the Nats!

An emissions intensity scheme could become official policy of the NSW Nationals on Friday, a move that would represent a split from the federal leadership and a challenge to the Turnbull government’s climate change agenda. Surely not!

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/generational-evolution-for...

Quote:
An emissions intensity scheme could become official policy of the NSW Nationals on Friday, a move that would represent a split from the federal leadership and a challenge to the Turnbull government's climate change agenda.

After the state's Young Nationals backed the contentious proposal in April, the motion will be on the agenda at the party's annual conference, a two-day gathering that will draw hundreds of rank-and-file supporters, as well as Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce.

<snip>

The policy battles highlight the generational evolution taking place within the party, which is deeply conservative at a parliamentary level but more socially and environmentally progressive among younger members.

Jess Price-Purnell, chair of the NSW Young Nationals, said rural and regional Australians could see climate change happening and younger residents were generally more open-minded.

"I've got a child and am pregnant with a second and I'd quite like them to be able to breathe the air and drink the water when they grow up," Ms Price-Purnell said.


Yup, rural people are being let down by the hacks who supposedly represent them in Canberr. As well as seeing AGW and associated climate change hitting their property people in rural areas know the value of the original FTTH NBN rollout.

Hopefully the likes of Joyce can’t have the motion defeated tho Joyce would certainly ignore it. He is more the member for Gina than the member for New England.
Back to top
« Last Edit: May 19th, 2017 at 12:05pm by Jovial Monk »  

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #86 - May 19th, 2017 at 7:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
property people in rural areas know the value of the original FTTH NBN rollout.



Yep. They won't be getting it. Not cost effective.

Now if they had a National Royalties for Regions type scheme it might get some funding, but only to the towns.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
"I've got a child and am pregnant with a second and I'd quite like them to be able to breathe the air and drink the water when they grow up," Ms Price-Purnell said.


She must live in the city.  Why wouldn't you be able to breathe the air in the country? Why does she not have a water tank?

Bizarre.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43285
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #87 - May 27th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Rural councils were negotiating with NBN Co for copayment to bring FTTH to towns otherwise slated for FW. A sensible move that the Libs killed such is their obsession to not roll out anymore fibre than they absolutely have to.

Nothing about cost–effectiveness as we see from the escalating costs of the stupid MTM.

Now from Europe comes news of a way to burn natural gas for power generation that does not emit CO2:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170524084648.htm
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #88 - May 27th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
So in reality CO2 is emitted, it is merely captured and stored. So that if a problem occurs in the capture and storage leading to a leak it will still be emitted to the atmosphere.

"CO2 can be isolated during combustion without having to use any additional energy, which means it can then go on to be stored. This prevents it from being released into the atmosphere. "
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: Decentralisation/decarbonisation of the grid
Reply #89 - May 27th, 2017 at 12:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 10:19am:
Rural councils were negotiating with NBN Co for copayment to bring FTTH to towns otherwise slated for FW. A sensible move that the Libs killed such is their obsession to not roll out anymore fibre than they absolutely have to.

Nothing about cost–effectiveness



Yes. Cost effectiveness. Was there a study done of this proposed FTTH in rural areas?
Back to top
« Last Edit: May 27th, 2017 at 12:30pm by lee »  
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print