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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #135 - May 16^th, 2017 at 8:46pm freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 6:18pm: This should be interesting. How do you interpret the verse from the Koran that says to beat disobedient wives The answer is: you don't interpret it. You ignore it.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #136 - May 16^th, 2017 at 8:48pm Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:01pm: Either you are a Muslim, or you are a feminist — but you can’t be both A person can claim to be anything they wish.
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Reply #137 - May 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Frank, tell me why its so offensive to you and Mr Chavura that a woman - and not you or Mr Chavura - gets to decide what her own faith means to her personally?

They are making claims about Islam, not just their personal lives. They are trying to speak for Muslim women, all women.

But just because someone is a woman doesn't give her a licence to talk nonsense thaty flies in the face of every evidence. Facts and evidence must bear out even a Muslim women's assertions. Asserting while Muslima doesn't make thing as she decides them to be. Not in her gift.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51606 Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #138 - May 16^th, 2017 at 10:59pm Auggie wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 8:48pm: Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:01pm: Either you are a Muslim, or you are a feminist — but you can’t be both A person can claim to be anything they wish. Well, we know you like to claim all sorts of impossible things.
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Reply #139 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:15am

Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Frank, tell me why its so offensive to you and Mr Chavura that a woman - and not you or Mr Chavura - gets to decide what her own faith means to her personally?

They are making claims about Islam, not just their personal lives. They are trying to speak for Muslim women, all women.

But just because someone is a woman doesn't give her a licence to talk nonsense thaty flies in the face of every evidence. Facts and evidence must bear out even a Muslim women's assertions. Asserting while Muslima doesn't make thing as she decides them to be. Not in her gift.

Frank, you see, doesn't speak as a secret Danish male, but on behalf of civilisation as we know it.

He got his licence when his Australian passport finally came through.

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Reply #140 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:14am

Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Frank, tell me why its so offensive to you and Mr Chavura that a woman - and not you or Mr Chavura - gets to decide what her own faith means to her personally?

They are making claims about Islam, not just their personal lives. They are trying to speak for Muslim women, all women.

Rubbish. A person's religion is entirely personal. She even prefaced the claim with the words "TO ME"

You have no right to dictate what Islam can and can't be TO HER

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #141 - May 17^th, 2017 at 11:25am

"It doesn't mean what it says", seems to be the critique of personal interpretation of islam, to a muslim who knows that the barbarity of the highest grade of muslim is not acceptable in the wider community.

Is it satisfactory for those muslims whose personal interpretation of islam hinges on the literal meaning, to engage in the hate, rape, torture and mass murder so freely advocated as the way for the true follower of allah?

I mean, what exactly is islam?

Does it mean what it says?

Is it a pack of lies?

Why does a muslim who aspires to be a decent citizen, have to continually deny the literal commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an?

Why are muslims the bane of the present day earth?

Why are millions of muslims fleeing other muslims around the globe, demanding the hated infidel give them feed and shelter?

The biggest question of all is: When are muslims going to be honest and address the evil in their commands, teachings and verses, which are the cause and motivation of all the islamic putridity on earth today?

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Reply #142 - May 17^th, 2017 at 11:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Rubbish. A person's religion is entirely personal. She even prefaced the claim with the words "TO ME"

You have no right to dictate what Islam can and can't be TO HER

LOL! Hold on Gandalf, you don't want to snooker yourself.

Think about the apologists, the go to word when seeking to diminish Islamic culpability when a head hacker or self detonating cultist missionary makes a statement of religion that it has nuffin to do wiv Islam, that they are not a real Muslim.

Apologists have no right to dictate what cultists can and can't be TO THEM.

The only acknowledged right we have here is Brian's self appointed right not to criticise Islam. Wink

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98490	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #143 - May 17^th, 2017 at 2:35pm moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:25am: When are muslims going to be honest and address the evil in their commands, teachings and verses, which are the cause and motivation of all the islamic putridity on earth today? When are the Jews, Moses? You never say.
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Reply #144 - May 17^th, 2017 at 4:03pm

I've asked you before please show where the Jews teach that the highest grade of Jew must slay and be slain.

Please show the relevant chapter in Jewish teachings which equates to the hate and malevolent intent in chapter nine of the qur'an.

To make it easy for you, simply show the pertinent Jewish teachings which cause and motivate Jews to be the enemy of the rest of the world, as is the case with islam and muslims who follow the qur'an to the letter, utterly believing they have a divine right to be torturers and mass murderers, as decreed in the qur'an.

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Reply #145 - May 17^th, 2017 at 4:22pm

Secret Wars wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Rubbish. A person's religion is entirely personal. She even prefaced the claim with the words "TO ME"

You have no right to dictate what Islam can and can't be TO HER

LOL! Hold on Gandalf, you don't want to snooker yourself.

Think about the apologists, the go to word when seeking to diminish Islamic culpability when a head hacker or self detonating cultist missionary makes a statement of religion that it has nuffin to do wiv Islam, that they are not a real Muslim.

Apologists have no right to dictate what cultists can and can't be TO THEM.

The only acknowledged right we have here is Brian's self appointed right not to criticise Islam. Wink

That would be a strawman secret.

Apologists don't dictate what fanatics and terrorists should be thinking - they acknowledge that their version of Islam is their version of Islam. What they do say however, is that their version of Islam doesn't gel with the vast majority of muslims - and therefore it is both unfair and illogical to claim the terrorists represent "real" Islam.

You should also acknowledge there is a massive difference between having beliefs about Islam that advocates killing and oppressing people, as opposed to having beliefs about Islam that are about liberating people - ie the exact opposite. It makes sense to distance oneself from the former, but it comes across as a bit of a cruel joke to demand muslims reject the latter - which is literally what the Yassmin lynch mob are doing.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #146 - May 17^th, 2017 at 4:40pm

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

I've asked you before please show where the Jews teach that the highest grade of Jew must slay and be slain.

Please show the relevant chapter in Jewish teachings which equates to the hate and malevolent intent in chapter nine of the qur'an.

To make it easy for you, simply show the pertinent Jewish teachings which cause and motivate Jews to be the enemy of the rest of the world, as is the case with islam and muslims who follow the qur'an to the letter, utterly believing they have a divine right to be torturers and mass murderers, as decreed in the qur'an.

Here's King David, Moses, the King who not only made the earth run with rivers of Gentile blood, he gave their foreskins to one of his wives as a wedding present.

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1 Samuel 18:27King James Version (KJV) Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

In the Bible, he's hailed as a man after G_d's own heart:

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1 Samuel 13:14King James Version (KJV). But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the Lord hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the Lord hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.

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Acts 13:22King James Version (KJV). And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

David was such a high grade of Jew, your prophet Yeheshua is said to be his descendant.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #147 - May 17^th, 2017 at 6:25pm Quote: Well, we know you like to claim all sorts of impossible things. Oooh, I like that. What kind of things are you referring to?
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Reply #148 - May 17^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

I mean, what exactly is islam?

Islam is simply submission to one God, that's it. Everything else is peripheral to that submission.

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

I've asked you before please show where the Jews teach that the highest grade of Jew must slay and be slain.

There are many verses in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. There's also a verse in Numbers 13 (I believe) where the soldiers after a battle spared the women and children, and Moses replied something along the lines of: "why have you spared the women; go and kill all of them, and TAKE FOR YOURSELF THE YOUNG WOMEN....'

In Deuteronomy there is a universal call to kill apostates.

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Why does a muslim who aspires to be a decent citizen, have to continually deny the literal commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an?

Because they don't know how to interpret the Quran, nor explain their views. No book can claim the eternal word of God. I don't even think the Quran specifically claims it to be so; I think it's a Hadith or something. Monotheistic faiths are by nature exclusivist - they claim to be the right one - that has nothing to do with spirituality as it does with power and control. Islam is no different in that respect to Christianity or Judaism.

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Why are muslims the bane of the present day earth?

They've haven't always been the 'bane of the earth'. So what does that tell you? That it has nothing to do with the religion of Islam, but with a minority who are acting like Fascists. I'm not saying they're not dangerous; they are, but we shouldn't describe the totality of a religion in that way.

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Reply #149 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Frank wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Frank, tell me why its so offensive to you and Mr Chavura that a woman - and not you or Mr Chavura - gets to decide what her own faith means to her personally?

They are making claims about Islam, not just their personal lives. They are trying to speak for Muslim women, all women.

Rubbish. A person's religion is entirely personal. She even prefaced the claim with the words "TO ME"

You have no right to dictate what Islam can and can't be TO HER

So if I said that TO ME Greater Zion, from the Indus to the Atlantic Ocean is the most pro-Muslim belief in the world - you'd be nodding along to that too??

All I have to say is 'TO ME' and I can say any crazy shite I want??? Brilliant!!!

You 'progressive' Muslims are all 15 year old girls at heart.

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