Aug, are you saying we should let people we know to be terrorists, people we know to be terrorist sympathisers, people we know to be ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy, to migrate here in massive and uncontrolled numbers? How do you think this will help?
Auggie wrote on May 20
th, 2017 at 11:15pm:
Quote:They have support among the general community. Most Australians consider wife beating inherently wrong, let alone forcing your wife to wear a tent in 40 degree heat. What do you do with groups who actually support those things, at least collectively? How effective do you think it will be if they start to see "support services" as the enemy?
There's no perfect solution. There would need to be a different approach taken than conventionally; but I'm sure it can be done. There would be many women in those communities who would reach out to support services that ensured anonymity.
This is a difficult issue. I'm not saying it's easy, but the answer also doesn't lie in restricting immigration.
As I've said before in another post, the Muslim world is going through a crisis point in its civilization, as all civilizations do; and unfortunately this involves much bloodshed. The difference now is that due to globalization it has an impact on the world as a whole and this imposes new challenges. I don't have the answers, but we shouldn't demonize people, since this will only make things worse in the long run.
Auggie wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 1:26pm:
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 7:53am:
The Muslim world has been bathed in blood for 1400 years. It will still be there in another 1400 years, doing the same thing.
The amount of blood they've shed pales in comparison to the amount we've shed in the West. The Muslim world has never had two industrial World Wars within the space of 40 years.
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 7:53am:
Where does the answer lie?
Honestly? I think that the West should sign a treaty with ISIS stipulating the following condition: the West will stay out of their business; they can have all the territory from Morocco to the Pakistan for themselves as their Caliphate; we'll withdraw embassies and consulates from those nations. We won't involve ourselves in their affairs as long as they don't involve themselves in ours, and send terrorists after us. They can set up their caliphate within those borders and govern themselves how they want with no interference.
I think that the radical ideology will evolve from 'the caliphate all over the world' to the 'caliphate in the middle east', much like how socialist developed from socialism in the world to 'socialism in one-country'.
Auggie wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Everything Muslims do pales in comparison. Their incompetence is their only redeeming feature.
Incompetence has nothing to do with it; it only comes down to civilization.
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Ah, we should facilitate ISIS now, in the idiotic hope they will be happy with whatever we tell them they can have?
Actually, you're right, that would probably be worse, because it would give them an opportunity to develop their military power.
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 2:00pm:
But not, at the last minute, you want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and wind all that progress back.
So, what do we do then? Do you want to see all migration from Muslim-majority countries?
Auggie wrote on May 22
nd, 2017 at 4:54pm:
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 9:08pm:
Auggie wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 6:43pm:
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Auggie wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 6:37pm:
freediver wrote on May 21
st, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Quote:Incompetence has nothing to do with it; it only comes down to civilization.
They do civilisation on a smaller scale too.
Quote:Actually, you're right, that would probably be worse, because it would give them an opportunity to develop their military power.
And capture millions of sex slaves along the way. You think that would be bad too, right?
Yes of course, it would be bad. And any of the other stuff they pull.
Now you sound like a neocon.
No, I sound like a liberal. I never claimed that Isis wasn't evil, I just claimed that one cannot say that Islam as a religion is evil. They're two separate things.
Neither do I support a Muslim ban. But I will defend liberal principles.
By killing people in the middle east?
What do you mean? Are you asking if I support the various military campaigns by the West in the Middle East? If so, the answer is that I don't support them. I'm a non-interventionist.
So you are against intervening, as well as being against allowing ISIS to expand?
Auggie wrote on May 22
nd, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Quote:So you are against intervening, as well as being against allowing ISIS to expand?
So long as they don't expand into the West.
You just finished agreeing this was a really bad idea.
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