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Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia
Reply #15 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:56pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:11pm:

BTW I don't want HuT banned.
I wanted them very closely monitored.

Any members who are not citizens should have their status reviewed

Why not? They are banned in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, Uzbekistan, Turkey – and in most of the rest of the Middle East, except for the UAE, Lebanon and Yemen. It is also banned in Russia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China ... just for starters.

Yet our government allows them into Australia to spruik their hate speech.

I want them banned here and we should demand it be so.

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Reply #16 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

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Reply #17 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36131 Gender:	Re: Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia Reply #18 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:00pm So Gordy, to ask you your own question, with a twist, how can Christians not execute apostates? If it is part of their religion?
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Reply #19 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:01pm

Here is an article from the Guardian asking whether we should blame Islam for Terrorism. It is as relevant to this thread as any other on the subject of the Muzlim Problem. The writer starts out declaring his objectivity, and then list all the usual stuff. I will not go point by point, but it can be summed up with his attitude to the so-called "recent Jihad." He claims to prove his point by saying, "If Muzlims are resposible for terrorism, why was the religion so peaceful for so long."

This is not proof of anything other than the isolation of Muzlim populations in previous eras. Once the more educated of those tribal societies began to adopt secular ways, the writing was on the wall. Then came cheap air travel and Muzlim immigration. Take those factors out of the equation and you are almost back to what the writer takes for Peaceful Islam.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/27/should-blame-islam-terrori...

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Reply #20 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

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Reply #22 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quote:

Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:43pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quote:

Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

Alas Gnads, the problem with using thereligionofpeace for a source is you only get told what raving loonies with an agenda want to tell you.

Now, what follows Qu'ran: (4:89)@

Why that would be Qu'ran (4:90) Kill them, except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

I've already mentioned that on this thread.

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Reply #24 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:45pm

Did anyone else see the elephant in the room.

This nutjob is a "respected" leader of this CULT.

Many others think the same, that is why we have problems with students being radicalized in their schools.

How many times do we hear from these LEADERS things that are abhorrent.
Children marrying old men
Calls for beheading of any one who they fell offends then (just about everyone)
Calling women cats meat if they do not dress in the ridiculious garb adopted by this CULT
"Moderate" muslims and children calling for blood during protests.

We hear from pecca and his mates that not all muzzos are radicals.
But when you see them calling for blood, praising terrorists and demanding sharia law, one must question the peacefulness of this CULT.

If the leadership is insane, as it appears.
That insanity is contagious as is the case in many CULTS
You end up with a totally insane CULT

And itvappears that this is the case.

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Reply #25 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quote:

Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

Mothra is owned!!! Grin

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Reply #27 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quote:

Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

Mothra is owned!!! Grin

Read my reply to him, you imbecile.

Gnads got owned.

Furthermore i had already addressed that verse in an earlier post AND the verse that follows it.

Gnads should have done his homework better.

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Reply #29 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

And for anyone about to say "Oh but that's just the Old Testament!":

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.‘
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’
6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

and:

“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:17-18)”

But Christians around the world aren't taken their written word seriously enough to kill people hey Mothballs?

Some are. But that is beside the point. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it call for death to apostates. Yet it does so clearly in the Bible.

Did you miss the part where i quoted that only about 4.21% of Muslims want the death penalty for aposty?

I highlighted it and everything.

Got any links to support that ... piece of apologist BS?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx

Quote:

Quran: (4:89)-"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Quote:

Quran: (9:11-12) -"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

And there are many Hadith & Sira calling for the same :

death to apostates. Roll Eyes

Mothra is owned!!! Grin

Read my reply to him, you imbecile.

Gnads got owned.

Furthermore i had already addressed that verse in an earlier post AND the verse that follows it.

Gnads should have done his homework better.

I;m confused you silly old fart. You said thre's no reference to killing apostates in the koran . But it says this- until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them..

You were owned!!!

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