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Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:51am

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"Do you want to kill ex-Muslims?” Source: 7 News

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Islamic group in Australia calls for ex-Muslims to be executed - 'We don't shy away from that'

Bryan Seymour, March 27, 2017

Federal Police have been called in after an Islamic group called for Muslims to be executed if they leave the religion.

At Bankstown Public library on Saturday a leader of the fundamentalist, Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir made the confronting declaration.

When asked, "Do you want to kill ex-Muslims?”, it is alleged that Uthman Badar, Hizb ut-Tahrir leader replied: "In Islam is clear that apostates do attract capital punishment, we don't shy away from that.”

Hizb ut-Tahrir has a draft constitution it wants adopted in Australia. Article 7.3 reads: “Those who are guilty of apostasy from (or leaving) Islam are to be executed.”

The admission terrified a former Muslim who was at the meeting.

"The main reason that I left my own country was that I was worried about my own safety,” said ex-Muslim, Shakil Ahmed.

“And now that I've come over here I know that they're the same people, they're already over here and they want me dead as well."

.....Among those at the meeting were many young children.

A spokesperson for Justice Minister Michael Keenan told 7 News that the Government condemns language that incites or condones violence, saying that is not free speech.

"They want to destroy democracy, replace it with Sharia, they want to kill ex-Muslims, I think they've crossed the line,” said Ms. Bevege.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/34811965/hizb-ut-tahrir-islamic-group-in-austral...

Yadda says.....

'ISIS', are in Australia, today.

They are called, [mosque attending] moslems.

And our politicians allowed them to come to Australia.

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...

...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.

"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2017 06:51 pm

Pakistan asks Facebook and Twitter to identify Pakistanis outside country who post anti-Islam material

So that they can be extradited and punished.

There is to be no escaping the long arm of Sharia.

And most disquieting of all is that the social media giants seems to be cooperating, or at least Facebook appears to be: “Federal Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan announced this month that a Facebook delegation is.....

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'ISIS', are in Australia, today.

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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar murdered Australian Curtis Cheng outside Parramatta police headquarters....AS AN ACT OF RELIGIOUS VIRTUE

That description may sound abhorrent and absurd, but, that is exactly how devout moslems justify such atrocities.

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

ISLAMIC culture ?

The 'ISLAMIC culture' which PM Malcom Turnbull insists that we [Australians] should respect [a culture which Malcom Turnbull, is happy to allow moslems to freely foster and promote in Australia], .....is the very same ISLAMIC culture which encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng].

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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar committed this atrocity against an un-armed Australian because Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was 'rightly offended' by an Australian culture, which rejected and clashed with the imperatives of ISLAMIC culture!

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ARGUMENT;
There are no 'moderate' moslems.

Because there is no moderate ISLAM !

Duh!

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims Reply #1 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:58am This should come as no surprise, but many liberal-progressives will somehow cling to their idea of the moral high ground, by pretending this is not Islam, and therefore no action need be taken against the religion.
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Reply #2 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:24am

Yadda wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:51am:

ARGUMENT;
There are no 'moderate' moslems.

Because there is no moderate ISLAM !

Duh!

Moslems, are all FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslems.

Every moslem, is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

And every moslem, is concealing treachery, and viciousness, and murderous intent, behind their smiles.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1489311316/2#2
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Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Moslems are willing to lie to our faces, because moslems are terrified of TRUTH.

Because TRUTH convicts their FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL hearts.

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111

ARGUMENT;
For those who would argue that those Koran verses are an anachronism, ....and that Koran verses do not reflect or guide, the intent of the moslem community, here in Australia, today, .....I would offer, that the Koran is, and always has been, ~the~ most important source of religious authority for ISLAMIC religious leaders, and ~the~ most important source of religious instruction, for every moslem.

Any person who would suggest other than that, is either ignorant, OR, is being deliberately deceitful.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."

By definition, every moslem is a follower of ISLAM and is a supporter what ISLAMIC law endorses, promotes, and encourages.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484729546/1#1
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484729546/11#11

Moslems living in Australia, live within a secular nation, a secular nation ruled by secular laws.

And yet, moslems who live in Australia, choose to identify themselves with ISLAM, and to associate themselves with ISLAM, and so by definition, moslems who live in Australia choose to support and to associate themselves with what ISLAM's tenets and doctrines undeniably promote.

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The hatred of everyone who is a disbeliever, and who refuses to convert to ISLAM and to bow down and to worship Allah.

n.b.
'Some moslems' can deny that they themselves hate disbelievers.

But no moslem can deny that ISLAM, and its tenets and doctrines, sanction [makes 'holy'] and encourages, their 'holy' hatred of disbelievers.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 148799 Gender:	Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims Reply #4 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am: Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country. Alarming indeed. Where did Yadda come from, exactly?
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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #5 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:28am

Yadda wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

......no moslem can deny that ISLAM, and its tenets and doctrines, sanction [makes 'holy'] and encourages, their 'holy' hatred of disbelievers.

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #6 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #7 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:30am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country."

I'm not sure if the left brought Yadda into this country or not, but I'm still curious where he came from.

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #8 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:31am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

I'm, 'A citizen of the world'.

Just like yourself, ......well, not exactly like you!

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #9 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country."

I'm not sure if the left brought Yadda into this country or not, but I'm still curious where he came from.

I still don't see the connection to the article.

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #10 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:38am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country."

I'm not sure if the left brought Yadda into this country or not, but I'm still curious where he came from.

I still don't see the connection to the article.

Well, Yadda posted the article.

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country", meaning Yadda, and I merely asked where he originates from.

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #11 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:40am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country."

I'm not sure if the left brought Yadda into this country or not, but I'm still curious where he came from.

I still don't see the connection to the article.

Well, Yadda posted the article.

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country", meaning Yadda, and I merely asked where he originates from.

So you've got nothing relevant to add to the article?

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Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims
Reply #12 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:43am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:26am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Very alarming. Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country.

Alarming indeed.

Where did Yadda come from, exactly?

What has Yadda's origins got to do with Australian Muslims declaring that they believe in executing ex Muslims?

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country."

I'm not sure if the left brought Yadda into this country or not, but I'm still curious where he came from.

I still don't see the connection to the article.

Well, Yadda posted the article.

You said "Look who the left have brought to our beautiful country", meaning Yadda, and I merely asked where he originates from.

So you've got nothing relevant to add to the article?

As I've explained to you, Yadda posted the article.

And, let's not forget that you're the one who commented on the left bringing him to our beautiful country, not me.

I didn't know he was an immigrant, so i'm just curious now as to where he comes from.

Do you know?

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims Reply #13 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am So what's your opinion on these radicals calling for the execution of ex Muslims?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 148799 Gender:	Re: Islamic group in Australia call; Kill ex-Muslims Reply #14 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:49am Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am: So what's your opinion on these radicals calling for the execution of ex Muslims? You know my views on capital punishment. I do not support it under any circumstances.
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