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Reply #15 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:03pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

If I mean someone who leads I say “leader” if it is a national leader I say “Leader.”

But good point, should tighten the language up.

Who was it, well before WWII knew he had a destiny to fullfil and that feeling made him feel brave in battle and in WWII he was the Leader of the nation and the government.

Yamamoto sounds like one good answer. Monty isn’t, not a leader of the nation and the government. Stalin may be, and to give the devil his due he did not flee Moscow when the German panzers were in the suburbs of Moscow.

The answer I had in mind was Winston Churchill. As a correspondent in the Boer War he felt that there was a Destiny awaiting him and that that would protect him and was rather reckless on at least one occasion I read about.

About 40 years, mostly in the wilderness, but destiny had him in mind alright!

The two soldiers who most contributed to victory in the European part of WWII were Alan Brooke and Montgomery.

I did check him out, but found no reference to any abnormal risks he took, or any talk of destiny. But....it's your Quiz so you get to be Eddie, and I get to shut up.

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Reply #16 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

Who am I kidding....me, shut up! Hrmpfffff!

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Between 1895 and 1900 Churchill sought to get himself transferred into as many dangerous military zones as possible – writing up his narrow escapes from the front line for papers including the Daily Graphic, and Daily Telegraph. By 1899, working as a correspondent for the Morning Post, Churchill negotiated a salary of £250 a month and all expenses paid – equal to more than £27,000 today – making him the highest-paid war correspondent of the day.

If you don't talk yourself up as a War Correspondent (bullshit about the personal danger you were in ~ look at 60 Minutes and even Four Corner today) you don't get paid that money. No reference to 'destiny to lead' or any destiny that I can find.

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Reply #17 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:40pm

There was in this book on Churchill I was reading—but the Boer war is a loooong time ago.

He stayed faithfull to his message in the years in the wilderness.

Gallipoli was one of his stupid mistakes—he was no military commander—but Kitchener made it worse by procrastination. Gallipoli should have been launched at the same time as the attempt to force the straits in which 15 British battleships were sunk.

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Reply #18 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

There was in this book on Churchill I was reading—but the Boer war is a loooong time ago.

He stayed faithfull to his message in the years in the wilderness.

Gallipoli was one of his stupid mistakes—he was no military commander—but Kitchener made it worse by procrastination. Gallipoli should have been launched at the same time as the attempt to force the straits in which 15 British battleships were sunk.

The dead were just numbers to Churchill.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #19 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:46pm The dead were just numbers to Monty, too, he kept throwing divisions at the German lines at El Alamein. That’s war. Churchill did visit bombed areas etc. Hitler didn’t.
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Reply #20 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:47pm

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

There was in this book on Churchill I was reading—but the Boer war is a loooong time ago.

He stayed faithfull to his message in the years in the wilderness.

Gallipoli was one of his stupid mistakes—he was no military commander—but Kitchener made it worse by procrastination. Gallipoli should have been launched at the same time as the attempt to force the straits in which 15 British battleships were sunk.

The dead were just numbers to Churchill.

Including the Aussie Diggers he threw to the wolves in Singapore.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #21 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 4:49pm And the ME diggers on the way home he wanted to throw at the Japs in Burma. Without their heavy gear they would have been wiped out quick smart. Fortunately we had a truly great PM at the time, Jack Curtin!
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Reply #22 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 8:45am

OK, quiz question two.

This one does not have a clear cut answer but have a bit of fun reading up and arguing about it.

We know civilisation started in river valleys (Tigris/Euphrates) and the Nile, the Indus Valley and same in China.

What caused the hunter/gatherers to abandon their nomadic ways and begin agriculture?

Was it because of better and more assured supply of food? Or was it because of beer?

Despite what you might think, there is an arguable case for beer!

So—food or beer?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #23 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 8:57am One bit of information to get discussion started: There was beer in all the ancient cities like Ur in what is now Iraq.
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Reply #24 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:03am

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

OK, quiz question two.

This one does not have a clear cut answer but have a bit of fun reading up and arguing about it.

We know civilisation started in river valleys (Tigris/Euphrates) and the Nile, the Indus Valley and same in China.

What caused the hunter/gatherers to abandon their nomadic ways and begin agriculture?

Was it because of better and more assured supply of food? Or was it because of beer?

Despite what you might think, there is an arguable case for beer!

So—food or beer?

It appears that civilization was introduced to Britain by the use of beer. Before Romans and beer the British were tribal savages.

Now none of them want to live more than a short walk from a pub or liquor retailer.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #25 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am Romans drank wine. Tiberius(?) said beer made Britons smell like the billygoat.
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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2982 Around	Re: Pub quiz Reply #26 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:54am Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 10:19am: Romans drank wine. Tiberius(?) said beer made Britons smell like the billygoat. Could it have been used as a way to dull the population of Britons like England did with the Chinese and opium?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #27 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 11:10am Roman times are far from the dawn of history tho. Romans drank wine, the Britons made beer long before the Romans arrived.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Pub quiz Reply #28 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 11:21am Most of us like to have a drink or two too many at times. To the nomads it must have felt religious, god like. Could it be they wanted that feeling so much that they abandoned nomadic ways and settled down to guard their grain growing in fields? Would a nomad abandon his traditional ways just for a loaf of bread?
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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2982 Around	Re: Pub quiz Reply #29 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 8:53pm It makes sense. All creatures love to get plastered. For instance in Africa there is a tree that once a year bares fruit that becomes fermented and animals come from miles to eat it and essentially get pissed. Even the carnivores. It's like one big piss up
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