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My Lai massacre 49 years later
Mar 21st, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
The perpetrators of the My Lai massacre went virtually unpunished. The symbol of the maassacre, Lt. Willima Calley was pardoned by Richard Nixon and didn not serve one day in jail for atrocious crimes.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/21/my-lai-massacre-49-years-later/

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It is these two words, “National Shame,” that continues to hide the truth of what really happened in Southeast Asia.

... This is what the U.S. Military did on that day on March 16, 1968. I use the word “We,” because our taxes paid for the massacre, and our ignorance about the war wrote the check. Among the dead were a hundred and eighty-two women, seventeen of them pregnant. A hundred and seventy-three children were executed, including fifty-six infants. Sixty older men were also murdered. The museum at My Lai, includes the accounting of another important fact: there was another village located about a mile away from My Lai 4, called My Khe 4, that U.S. soldiers from Bravo Company on the same day, also committed atrocities. So, 407 were murdered at My Lai 4, and 97 were murdered at My Khe 4, for a total of 504 Vietnamese civilians. It also must be noted, that there were twenty rapes committed, not to include attempted rapes. I have chosen not to go into detail about how those executions were committed, or the torture and extreme suffering that was committed by American soldiers under Pentagon command. This butcher shop mentality would be extremely difficult to read and comprehend by most people. I will say this, and it is a quote from Larry Colburn, who was a door gunner on Hugh Thompson’s helicopter that landed on the ground during the massacre, and attempted to stop the killing. These are Larry Colburn’s words: ” The only thing the U.S. soldiers did not do was cook them and eat them.”

In order to understand WHY these two massacres were committed on March 16, 1968, a synopsis and history of what happened in Quang Ngai Province during the war would be helpful for the reader. I came across an article written on October 2, 1994, by award winning author, and Vietnam veteran, Tim O’Brien. The title of the article is: “The Vietnam in Me.”  These are his words: ” In the years preceding the murders at My Lai, more than 70 percent of the villages in Quang Ngai Province had been destroyed by air strikes, artillery fire, Zippo lighters, napalm, white phosphorus, bulldozers, gunships and other such means. Roughly 40 percent of the population had lived in refugee camps, while civilian casualties in the area were approaching 50,000 a year. These numbers, reported by the journalist Jonathan Schell in 1967, were later confirmed as substantially correct by Government investigators. Not that I needed confirmation. Back in 1969, the wreckage was all around us, so common it seemed part of the geography, as natural as any mountain or river. Wreckage was the rule. Brutality was S.O.P. Scalded children, pistol-whipped women, burning hootches, free-fire zones, body counts, indiscriminate bombing and harassment fire, villages in ash, M-60 machine guns hosing down dark green tree lines and human life behind them.

... I have personally known many Vietnam veterans who were destroyed by their experiences in Vietnam. At least four of my friends died from Agent Orange exposure, to include my brother-in-law. One died from a head on car collision, one died homeless on the streets, and two hung themselves. It does not surprise me that more Vietnam veterans have committed suicide than were killed in Vietnam. According to the Veterans Administration, one veteran commits suicide every hour in this country.
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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:24pm
 
You're a nasty bit of work.
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:34pm
 
...and Effendi cares about are some people Mo allegedly got pissed off at a squillion millennia ago.

Let's pretend this actual 'genocide' of actual real women, children and old men never happened......at the hands of 'Onward Christian Soldiers.'

Everyone hold hands now and sing along:



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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:38pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:24pm:
You're a nasty bit of work.


I'm trying to work out what Unforgiven is trying to say here that hasn't been publicised a million times since these events happened.

What he and his ilk should acknowledge but never do, is that Western nations are totally unique in the world for having a free press that exposes these barbarities without fear of a secret police agency hauling them off in the dark, never to be seen or heard from again.

That's the subtext to this story. It's a celebration of the system we live under that such revelations can be widely published without people going missing.



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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:24pm:
You're a nasty bit of work.


I'm trying to work out what Unforgiven is trying to say here that hasn't been publicised a million times since these events happened.

What he and his ilk should acknowledge but never do, is that Western nations are totally unique in the world for having a free press that exposes these barbarities without fear of a secret police agency hauling them off in the dark, never to be seen or heard from again.

That's the subtext to this story. It's a celebration of the system we live under that such revelations can be widely published without people going missing.





Bullshit Herbert.  Not one of those murderous arsehole 'Onward Chritian Soldiers' went punished....not one.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:38pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:24pm:
You're a nasty bit of work.


I'm trying to work out what Unforgiven is trying to say here that hasn't been publicised a million times since these events happened.

What he and his ilk should acknowledge but never do, is that Western nations are totally unique in the world for having a free press that exposes these barbarities without fear of a secret police agency hauling them off in the dark, never to be seen or heard from again.

That's the subtext to this story. It's a celebration of the system we live under that such revelations can be widely published without people going missing.





Are you kidding? We want a system where the race-traitors are rounded up in the middle of the night and rewarded with a bullet in the back of the neck.

Don't worry, Herbie. They'll be dealt with in the fullness of time.
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:09pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Are you kidding? We want a system where the race-traitors are rounded up in the middle of the night and rewarded with a bullet in the back of the neck.



Do you include muslims in that diatribe, or are you attempting to be more selective?

Sort of, all whites are scum and lets killem?

Non whites are good, all whites are bad?

Could go on but it would be lost on you...........

Careful tho 18c is up for a revamp, and racist bigots like you WILL be challenged more often in the future, about time too!
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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:16pm
 
Tim O'Brien operated in that area with the 196th Light Infantry - he said that while he could understand the Me Lie (that's how we pronounce it around here) massacre, based on his own experiences in Pinkville - he could not condone it.

Therein lies the nub of this matter.  Condemn all you want - but don't adhere the same standard to all Veterans.

The one that concerns me most is the company commander who escaped any criticism or charge despite giving out information that lead the troops to believe they were walking into a hardcore VC ville....

Women, children and old men?  Not likely.... but remember the NVA massacred thousands of men, women and children at Hue and dumped them in shallow trenches.... for simply wishing to follow the Middle Way of no adherence to any side....

US troops learned the trade of evil at the hands of the NVA and some VC (there is a huge difference), going all the way back to 1965, when captured Americans were tortured and had obscene things done to them.  101st Airborne troopers had to listen to the screams of five of their friends as they were tortured with knives and such all night.... next day NVA prisoners all arrived at Rakkasan HQ dead with a bullet to the back of the head.

Leave it.. and go your way in peace.
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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:45pm:
Bullshit Herbert.  Not one of those murderous arsehole 'Onward Chritian Soldiers' went punished....not one.



WHERE did I say I'm excusing them?

They should have been given 25 years with no parole.



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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:50pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Tim O'Brien operated in that area with the 196th Light Infantry - he said that while he could understand the Me Lie (that's how we pronounce it around here) massacre, based on his own experiences in Pinkville - he could not condone it.

Therein lies the nub of this matter.  Condemn all you want - but don't adhere the same standard to all Veterans.

The one that concerns me most is the company commander who escaped any criticism or charge despite giving out information that lead the troops to believe they were walking into a hardcore VC ville....

Women, children and old men?  Not likely.... but remember the NVA massacred thousands of men, women and children at Hue and dumped them in shallow trenches.... for simply wishing to follow the Middle Way of no adherence to any side....

US troops learned the trade of evil at the hands of the NVA and some VC (there is a huge difference), going all the way back to 1965, when captured Americans were tortured and had obscene things done to them.  101st Airborne troopers had to listen to the screams of five of their friends as they were tortured with knives and such all night.... next day NVA prisoners all arrived at Rakkasan HQ dead with a bullet to the back of the head.

Leave it.. and go your way in peace.



well said grap....we should be looking  a Aleppo..

just a hint on whats happening RIGHT NOW..


In the last week, Foua and Kefraya have been targeted by Islamist rockets and Madaya has been hit by Hezbollah shelling in a bloody tit-for-tat in which civilians continue to suffer.

Approximately one million people in Syria live under siege conditions, Siege Watch says. A proportion of that number are trapped in the northern city of Deir ez Zour by Isis, a handful by other rebels, and the majority live under regime blockades.


the past is the past....

as you  can see......

we have learnt not a thing.. Sad Sad Sad Sad
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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:59pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:45pm:
Bullshit Herbert.  Not one of those murderous arsehole 'Onward Chritian Soldiers' went punished....not one.



WHERE did I say I'm excusing them?

They should have been given 25 years with no parole.





What, for keeping a village of rice-eating hoardes from invading our shores?

They should have been given a medal.

Oh, they were.
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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 9:20pm
 
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Women, children and old men?  Not likely.... but remember the NVA massacred thousands of men, women and children at Hue and dumped them in shallow trenches.... for simply wishing to follow the Middle Way of no adherence to any side....

US troops learned the trade of evil at the hands of the NVA and some VC (there is a huge difference), going all the way back to 1965, when captured Americans were tortured and had obscene things done to them.  101st Airborne troopers had to listen to the screams of five of their friends as they were tortured with knives and such all night.... next day NVA prisoners all arrived at Rakkasan HQ dead with a bullet to the back of the head.

Leave it.. and go your way in peace.


No.

We had no place there, it was their schit fight, we stuck our nose in, and we limped off leaving the place farked.  Just like we are doing and always have done in the Land of Arabs.

In my life time, the only attack directly on the West by the non West was by the Japs at Pearl Harbour and they deserved their arse handed to them.....even though I am sure they did not attack without some cause/reason they thought was just.
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Reply #12 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Get some

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Reply #13 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 9:47pm
 
HCM was an effing cart who was killing hundreds of thousands of people in pursuit of his communist utopia.

Props to him (and Giap) for resisting the Japs (who's invasion caused about 2million deaths) then booting out the frogs but after that he turned on anyone who didn't support communism and killed them.

Supporting the people who didn't want to be communist was justifiable but not well executed.

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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 10:35pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Get some







I Love The Smell Of Napalm In The Morning
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