Brian Ross wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:


Yawning is what people do when they go to your forum bwian, nobody posts there because there is no intelligent life there.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:


Karnal?

What do you think would happen if an Australian newspaper did what Jyllands-Posten did? What do you think the body count would be?

More 'oppression' of Muslims:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/islamist-group-hizb-uttahrir-decries-forced-muslim-assimilation/news-story/cbec1f154a39e08754aedc1c903498e4

Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.

The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.

Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.

Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.

This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.

Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.

“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.

The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.

Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.

“It is nothing less than forced assimilation ... sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.

Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”

The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons.

You are confused.

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:


The ramifications of the highlighted paragraph are enormous. Just to start with, it excuses radical Islam which even the worst Western Islamophiles condemn.

Overall, it confirms all criticisms of Muzlim immigration by implying that Muzlims perjure themselves when making citizenship pledges. They are just doing it to get around our laws and gain entry and begin the rejection of Australian values as indicated throughout this article.

But I am sure that Gandalf, Greg, Brian and John will be able to accommodate Mr Badar's rejection of Australian values as they themselves do.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:


The contradiction is all in your head. In fact I'd be surprised if it is even there. You are probably just making it up as you go along.

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 4:42pm:





Oh, it's everyone else's fault that Muslims re looked at with suspicion at airports, get raided by police or sent to prison!!!!