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Reply #46 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:28pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:55am:

Regardless I am thinking what sort of major charges he would be facing. Of course, it would be good if its x4 murder changes. And x25 reckless driving causing injury.

However, can we prove that these are murder? If he is high on drugs, his defence would be judgement impaired due to drug induced psychosis / mental impairment. If he did have some sort of delusional disorder, then the intent to kill would not be able to be proved.

No. These may be cosnidered mitigating circumstances and will almost certainly be used by his defence but will not be "defence" against murder. He would have to prove insanity and being effected by drugs wont do it.
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So, he will probably serve x4 charges of reckless driving causing death. Which bears 10 year penalty maximum if served concurrently. May be 5 years for reckless causing injury, serve concurrently but cumatively over the death charge. He could well be given just 15 years, and out in about 10 years with good behavior. And that would make him... late 30s? early 40s when he gets out?

I doubt it. The charges will be murder and he will be a very old man if and when he gets out.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #47 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm Get a load of these armchair lawyers
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 119042 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #48 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy - deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right?
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #49 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:36pm Its time wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm: Get a load of these armchair lawyers yeah Quote: Leftwinger Gold Member ***** Online Posts: 15005 16.38 Posts per day
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152109 Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #50 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:38pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm: Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy - deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right? There's no place in civilised society for hangings, Booby. Sorry.
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Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2
Reply #51 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:42pm

rhino wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:28pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 9:55am:

Regardless I am thinking what sort of major charges he would be facing. Of course, it would be good if its x4 murder changes. And x25 reckless driving causing injury.

However, can we prove that these are murder? If he is high on drugs, his defence would be judgement impaired due to drug induced psychosis / mental impairment. If he did have some sort of delusional disorder, then the intent to kill would not be able to be proved.

No. These may be cosnidered mitigating circumstances and will almost certainly be used by his defence but will not be "defence" against murder. He would have to prove insanity and being effected by drugs wont do it.
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So, he will probably serve x4 charges of reckless driving causing death. Which bears 10 year penalty maximum if served concurrently. May be 5 years for reckless causing injury, serve concurrently but cumatively over the death charge. He could well be given just 15 years, and out in about 10 years with good behavior. And that would make him... late 30s? early 40s when he gets out?

I doubt it. The charges will be murder and he will be a very old man if and when he gets out.

He won't get out.

I doubt that he'll make it to court for sentencing.

Once he's "accidentally" left with other inmates in remand, he'll "accidentally" fall down in the shower.

Or, he'll be found to have "accidentally" hanged himself.

And I agree, he'll be charged with murder.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #52 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:42pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm: Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy - deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right? Hanging is wrong Bobby. Thats not civilised.
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Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2
Reply #53 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm:

Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy -

deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right?

There's no place in civilised society for hangings, Bobby.

Sorry.

Hangings are civilised -

putting someone live - through a meat grinder isn't -

that's what Saddam used to do.

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Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2
Reply #54 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm:

Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy -

deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right?

There's no place in civilised society for hangings, Bobby.

Sorry.

Hangings are civilised -

putting someone live - through a meat grinder isn't -

that's what Saddam used to do.

No Bobby, a quick painless death is what I recommend, hanging takes too long. Drug them then guillotine them.

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Reply #55 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:50pm

rhino wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm:

Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy -

deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right?

There's no place in civilised society for hangings, Bobby.

Sorry.

Hangings are civilised -

putting someone live - through a meat grinder isn't -

that's what Saddam used to do.

No Bobby, a quick painless death is what I recommend, hanging takes too long. Drug them then guillotine them.

Too long - what about all those people he ran over? -

they are either dead or suffering to an unimaginable intensity.

He needs to get some justice.

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Reply #56 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:54pm

Now you guys probably know that I have a problem with the CULT.

I try quite hard to make my feelings known on this point.

BUT

I'm sorry, its drawing a very long bow to link this atrocity with the CULT.

This is simply a nutcase who was off his face on drugs and obviously mentally unstable.
There was no real intent as with most CULT terrorists and he was obviously not a practicing Muzzo.

In this instance it was simply a mental case going nutz.

Now on the matter of the useless legal system letting this nutcase out when he was obviously unstanble.

Whee is the accountability?

These judges demand absolute authority with regard to how they administer the law.
They should also accept absolute responsibility also.
Therefore if they let out a known nutcase, murderer, pedophile, and that animal re-offends.
Charge the judge......simple.

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Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2
Reply #57 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:58pm

Valkie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Now you guys probably know that I have a problem with the CULT.

I try quite hard to make my feelings known on this point.

BUT

I'm sorry, its drawing a very long bow to link this atrocity with the CULT.

This is simply a nutcase who was off his face on drugs and obviously mentally unstable.
There was no real intent as with most CULT terrorists and he was obviously not a practicing Muzzo.

In this instance it was simply a mental case going nutz.

Now on the matter of the useless legal system letting this nutcase out when he was obviously unstanble.

Whee is the accountability?

These judges demand absolute authority with regard to how they administer the law.
They should also accept absolute responsibility also.
Therefore if they let out a known nutcase, murderer, pedophile, and that animal re-offends.
Charge the judge......simple.

Nice in theory but that will never happen.

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Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2
Reply #58 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:50pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2017 at 12:33pm:

Can anyone - even Longy & Greggy -

deny that my constant calls for hanging to be brought back were right?

There's no place in civilised society for hangings, Bobby.

Sorry.

Hangings are civilised -

putting someone live - through a meat grinder isn't -

that's what Saddam used to do.

No Bobby, a quick painless death is what I recommend, hanging takes too long. Drug them then guillotine them.

Too long - what about all those people he ran over? -

they are either dead or suffering to an unimaginable intensity.

He needs to get some justice.

The thing about making people suffer for their crimes bobby is that they need to stay alive to remember the suffering, theres your revenge, not death. Unfortunatly this is called torture and is a bridge too far in any civilised society, remembering the victims who probably wont be in favour of such. No, a quick painless removal from society so they cant breed and or continue their crimes.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Rogue car hits pedestrians in Melbourne CBD PART 2 Reply #59 - Jan 21^st, 2017 at 1:03pm If armed police were on the scene when he was doing circles, they should have taken out his tires and radiator for a start. But that would probably have contravened his rights somehow. Amnesty International will protect him.
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