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Reply #60 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:48pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:27pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
Imprisonment for driving offences

Driving without a licence can quickly lead to jail, and Aboriginal people are over-represented in driver licensing-related incarceration. In New South Wales, Aboriginal people found guilty of a “driver licence” offence are imprisoned at two to three times the rate for non-Aboriginal people.

It has been suggested that this is due to fines issued to unemployed people who are unable to pay them, and that such sentencing is unduly harsh, and out of line with community expectations.

The NSW coroner last week ruled on the death of an Aboriginal man in custody who was imprisoned for licensing offences. The coroner found he died of natural causes, but suggested it was understandable that the man would drive while unlicensed due to the long period of disqualification and lack of alternative transport.

Driver licences can also be cancelled due to other, non road-related fines, such as not having a train ticket, or having an unregistered dog. These fines can quickly accumulate and, if unpaid, can lead to the cancellation of the driver licence.


https://theconversation.com/indigenous-australians-need-a-licence-to-drive-but-a...

How about they do the right thing in the first place and they won't have any issues, like it is for us?



Barriers to licensing

High crash and fatality rates among young people have led to the development of graduated licensing laws for new drivers.

But while the laws improve safety and are successfully driving crash rates down, they also create significant barriers to licensing. New drivers must pass multiple tests and accumulate up to 120 hours of supervised driving practice during the learner phase.

These laws have a disproportionate impact on Aboriginal people, who can face a number of barriers to getting a driver licence, including difficulty accessing identification documents, low levels of literacy and numeracy, the various costs associated with the graduated licensing system, lack of access to a car and a supervising driver, as well as outstanding debt.

In New South Wales, Aboriginal people are more likely to fail the driver knowledge test than non-Aboriginal people. And they are three times as likely to lose their driver licence due to fine default.

Although data are scarce in most states, driver licensing rates are low: Aboriginal people represent only 0.4% of all driver licence holders in NSW but make up 1.9% of the eligible driver population.
So you want different rules for aboriginal people when getting a licence????




I want licensing to be adapted to suit them. Is that so hard?



In other words - "Dumbing Down".

Which has been going on wholesale in this country in that respect for decades.

Seeings Aboriginals live in all environments .... city, town, metropolitan capitals ....

how many adaptions need to be made.

Do you let Aboriginals licensed in remote regions to meet their needs drive in high traffic urban areas without the necessary testing that is required of everyone else?

Seeings they are free to go anywhere in Australia they want ....... how is that a good idea?

What it is is complete BS.

Aboriginal youth aren't the only ones who have literacy problems.

What about dyslexic youths .... regardless of colour?

You are an excuse making apologist.


I absolutely agree.    We have enough young deaths on our roads and it is not always Aboriginals who cannot afford licences, fines etc.

We need our roads to be safer and dumbing down licence tests and/or giving out licences like lollies is the most bizarre strategy I have ever heard.

Good grief.  I don't understand why some of you even respond to such idiocy.
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Re: Quote:Indigenous incarceration rates 'intolerable'
Reply #61 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:51pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:27pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
Imprisonment for driving offences

Driving without a licence can quickly lead to jail, and Aboriginal people are over-represented in driver licensing-related incarceration. In New South Wales, Aboriginal people found guilty of a “driver licence” offence are imprisoned at two to three times the rate for non-Aboriginal people.

It has been suggested that this is due to fines issued to unemployed people who are unable to pay them, and that such sentencing is unduly harsh, and out of line with community expectations.

The NSW coroner last week ruled on the death of an Aboriginal man in custody who was imprisoned for licensing offences. The coroner found he died of natural causes, but suggested it was understandable that the man would drive while unlicensed due to the long period of disqualification and lack of alternative transport.

Driver licences can also be cancelled due to other, non road-related fines, such as not having a train ticket, or having an unregistered dog. These fines can quickly accumulate and, if unpaid, can lead to the cancellation of the driver licence.


https://theconversation.com/indigenous-australians-need-a-licence-to-drive-but-a...

How about they do the right thing in the first place and they won't have any issues, like it is for us?



Barriers to licensing

High crash and fatality rates among young people have led to the development of graduated licensing laws for new drivers.

But while the laws improve safety and are successfully driving crash rates down, they also create significant barriers to licensing. New drivers must pass multiple tests and accumulate up to 120 hours of supervised driving practice during the learner phase.

These laws have a disproportionate impact on Aboriginal people, who can face a number of barriers to getting a driver licence, including difficulty accessing identification documents, low levels of literacy and numeracy, the various costs associated with the graduated licensing system, lack of access to a car and a supervising driver, as well as outstanding debt.

In New South Wales, Aboriginal people are more likely to fail the driver knowledge test than non-Aboriginal people. And they are three times as likely to lose their driver licence due to fine default.

Although data are scarce in most states, driver licensing rates are low: Aboriginal people represent only 0.4% of all driver licence holders in NSW but make up 1.9% of the eligible driver population.
So you want different rules for aboriginal people when getting a licence????




I want licensing to be adapted to suit them. Is that so hard?



In other words - "Dumbing Down".

Which has been going on wholesale in this country in that respect for decades.

Seeings Aboriginals live in all environments .... city, town, metropolitan capitals ....

how many adaptions need to be made.

Do you let Aboriginals licensed in remote regions to meet their needs drive in high traffic urban areas without the necessary testing that is required of everyone else?

Seeings they are free to go anywhere in Australia they want ....... how is that a good idea?

What it is is complete BS.

Aboriginal youth aren't the only ones who have literacy problems.

What about dyslexic youths .... regardless of colour?

You are an excuse making apologist.


I absolutely agree.    We have enough young deaths on our roads and it is not always Aboriginals who cannot afford licences, fines etc.

We need our roads to be safer and dumbing down licence tests and/or giving out licences like lollies is the most bizarre strategy I have ever heard.

Good grief.  I don't understand why some of you even respond to such idiocy.



Who said anything about "dumbing down the tests" or handing licenses out like "lollies"?

Look out BO ... you've become hysterical again.
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Reply #62 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:53pm
 
Such ignorance!   Shocked
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Reply #63 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:54pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
Such ignorance!   Shocked



Admitting it is the first step.

Good for you.
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Reply #64 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:03pm
 
200 years.

I repeat
200
years.

They have had 200 years to grow up and assimilate into the only culture available to them.

The old saying, if you cant beat them, join them stands true now as ever it was.

You would think by now that they know they cant beat us, and we try soooo hard to let them join us.
Free education, may opportunities.
What is holding them back........Simple victim mentality and laziness.
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Reply #65 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:27pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
Imprisonment for driving offences

Driving without a licence can quickly lead to jail, and Aboriginal people are over-represented in driver licensing-related incarceration. In New South Wales, Aboriginal people found guilty of a “driver licence” offence are imprisoned at two to three times the rate for non-Aboriginal people.

It has been suggested that this is due to fines issued to unemployed people who are unable to pay them, and that such sentencing is unduly harsh, and out of line with community expectations.

The NSW coroner last week ruled on the death of an Aboriginal man in custody who was imprisoned for licensing offences. The coroner found he died of natural causes, but suggested it was understandable that the man would drive while unlicensed due to the long period of disqualification and lack of alternative transport.

Driver licences can also be cancelled due to other, non road-related fines, such as not having a train ticket, or having an unregistered dog. These fines can quickly accumulate and, if unpaid, can lead to the cancellation of the driver licence.


https://theconversation.com/indigenous-australians-need-a-licence-to-drive-but-a...

How about they do the right thing in the first place and they won't have any issues, like it is for us?



Barriers to licensing

High crash and fatality rates among young people have led to the development of graduated licensing laws for new drivers.

But while the laws improve safety and are successfully driving crash rates down, they also create significant barriers to licensing. New drivers must pass multiple tests and accumulate up to 120 hours of supervised driving practice during the learner phase.

These laws have a disproportionate impact on Aboriginal people, who can face a number of barriers to getting a driver licence, including difficulty accessing identification documents, low levels of literacy and numeracy, the various costs associated with the graduated licensing system, lack of access to a car and a supervising driver, as well as outstanding debt.

In New South Wales, Aboriginal people are more likely to fail the driver knowledge test than non-Aboriginal people. And they are three times as likely to lose their driver licence due to fine default.

Although data are scarce in most states, driver licensing rates are low: Aboriginal people represent only 0.4% of all driver licence holders in NSW but make up 1.9% of the eligible driver population.
So you want different rules for aboriginal people when getting a licence????




I want licensing to be adapted to suit them. Is that so hard?



In other words - "Dumbing Down".

Which has been going on wholesale in this country in that respect for decades.

Seeings Aboriginals live in all environments .... city, town, metropolitan capitals ....

how many adaptions need to be made.

Do you let Aboriginals licensed in remote regions to meet their needs drive in high traffic urban areas without the necessary testing that is required of everyone else?

Seeings they are free to go anywhere in Australia they want ....... how is that a good idea?

What it is is complete BS.

Aboriginal youth aren't the only ones who have literacy problems.

What about dyslexic youths .... regardless of colour?

You are an excuse making apologist.


I absolutely agree.    We have enough young deaths on our roads and it is not always Aboriginals who cannot afford licences, fines etc.

We need our roads to be safer and dumbing down licence tests and/or giving out licences like lollies is the most bizarre strategy I have ever heard.

Good grief.  I don't understand why some of you even respond to such idiocy.



Who said anything about "dumbing down the tests" or handing licenses out like "lollies"?

Look out BO ... you've become hysterical again.


Mothra,

Read what you said above ... in extra large letters so you cannot miss it.

I would say that is "dumbing down", wouldn't you?
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Reply #66 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
Nope.
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Reply #67 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:23pm
 
Neferti wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:27pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
Imprisonment for driving offences

Driving without a licence can quickly lead to jail, and Aboriginal people are over-represented in driver licensing-related incarceration. In New South Wales, Aboriginal people found guilty of a “driver licence” offence are imprisoned at two to three times the rate for non-Aboriginal people.

It has been suggested that this is due to fines issued to unemployed people who are unable to pay them, and that such sentencing is unduly harsh, and out of line with community expectations.

The NSW coroner last week ruled on the death of an Aboriginal man in custody who was imprisoned for licensing offences. The coroner found he died of natural causes, but suggested it was understandable that the man would drive while unlicensed due to the long period of disqualification and lack of alternative transport.

Driver licences can also be cancelled due to other, non road-related fines, such as not having a train ticket, or having an unregistered dog. These fines can quickly accumulate and, if unpaid, can lead to the cancellation of the driver licence.


https://theconversation.com/indigenous-australians-need-a-licence-to-drive-but-a...

How about they do the right thing in the first place and they won't have any issues, like it is for us?



Barriers to licensing

High crash and fatality rates among young people have led to the development of graduated licensing laws for new drivers.

But while the laws improve safety and are successfully driving crash rates down, they also create significant barriers to licensing. New drivers must pass multiple tests and accumulate up to 120 hours of supervised driving practice during the learner phase.

These laws have a disproportionate impact on Aboriginal people, who can face a number of barriers to getting a driver licence, including difficulty accessing identification documents, low levels of literacy and numeracy, the various costs associated with the graduated licensing system, lack of access to a car and a supervising driver, as well as outstanding debt.

In New South Wales, Aboriginal people are more likely to fail the driver knowledge test than non-Aboriginal people. And they are three times as likely to lose their driver licence due to fine default.

Although data are scarce in most states, driver licensing rates are low: Aboriginal people represent only 0.4% of all driver licence holders in NSW but make up 1.9% of the eligible driver population.
So you want different rules for aboriginal people when getting a licence????




I want licensing to be adapted to suit them. Is that so hard?



In other words - "Dumbing Down".

Which has been going on wholesale in this country in that respect for decades.

Seeings Aboriginals live in all environments .... city, town, metropolitan capitals ....

how many adaptions need to be made.

Do you let Aboriginals licensed in remote regions to meet their needs drive in high traffic urban areas without the necessary testing that is required of everyone else?

Seeings they are free to go anywhere in Australia they want ....... how is that a good idea?

What it is is complete BS.

Aboriginal youth aren't the only ones who have literacy problems.

What about dyslexic youths .... regardless of colour?

You are an excuse making apologist.


I absolutely agree.    We have enough young deaths on our roads and it is not always Aboriginals who cannot afford licences, fines etc.

We need our roads to be safer and dumbing down licence tests and/or giving out licences like lollies is the most bizarre strategy I have ever heard.

Good grief.  I don't understand why some of you even respond to such idiocy.



Who said anything about "dumbing down the tests" or handing licenses out like "lollies"?

Look out BO ... you've become hysterical again.


Mothra,

Read what you said above ... in extra large letters so you cannot miss it.

I would say that is "dumbing down", wouldn't you?



I wouldn't.

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Reply #68 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:27pm
 
yes of course. Adapting the test to those with average IQs of around 75 isnt dumbing down. Why dont we do that with pilots licenses as well. Medical degrees? Just "adapt" it, why shouldnt the "different" people be able to perform brain surgery or fly you to your destination. Its just a matter of "adapting" the qualifications.
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Reply #69 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:23pm:
Neferti wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
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I wouldn't.



Again your entire contribution to a thread, with your limited vocabulary and cerebral content comes down to two words.

I Wouldn't

Perhaps its time you left the building.
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Reply #70 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:31pm
 
rhino wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
yes of course. Adapting the test to those with average IQs of around 75 isnt dumbing down. Why dont we do that with pilots licenses as well. Medical degrees? Just "adapt" it, why shouldnt the "different" people be able to perform brain surgery or fly you to your destination. Its just a matter of "adapting" the qualifications.




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Reply #71 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:35pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 1:56pm:
Your brain isn't in the real world Mothra. That's your problem. How do aborigines with no literacy or numeracy read speed and other road signs??



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Reply #72 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:37pm
 
A DRIVERS LICENCE IS A PRIVILEGE NOR A RIGHT.

If one cant pass the test, and drive safely.
They don't deserve a licence.

And that goes for every single person on the road.

There should be a drivers test every 2-5 years for every driver
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Reply #73 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:37pm
 
rhino wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
yes of course. Adapting the test to those with average IQs of around 75 isnt dumbing down. Why dont we do that with pilots licenses as well. Medical degrees? Just "adapt" it, why shouldnt the "different" people be able to perform brain surgery or fly you to your destination. Its just a matter of "adapting" the qualifications.


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Reply #74 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:41pm
 
I reckon incarceration for licensing matters is wrong to start with, unless they're driving on a cancelled license for drink driving.

I'm not into lowering expectation, but I recon Abos could use a bit of wiggle room on this one.

I'd rather there be a fully accredited license available for ALL illiterate drivers. Better to remove all obstacles for employment.

$300 a day for jail or a bit of extra help to get a license is a no brainier.

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