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Reply #75 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Hi Herby,
people will buy electric cars if they can mass produce
a more modest car for say $20K.

Who is going to park their car at the local service station for 45 minutes for a recharge?

Unless the recharge is at home - as with my electric bike - then nobody is going to leave the electric car at the servos overnight, each night, while using a bicycle to and from where it's being recharged.

And if electric cars started to be sold in any number, it would then follow that the petrol companies would make petrol prices at the bowsers so cheap that piston-engines would be the way to go.

And furthermore, if the electric cars don't have good acceleration speeds, then this would be a danger factor on the roads. Fast acceleration speeds is a tool that avoids accidents in certain circumstances.

Tesla owners pay nothing for a charge at any of their super chargers. 45 minutes to have a coffee and catch up on the smart phone no problems and that's 45 minutes for a full charge of course Wink

Find me a petrol station that offers the same deal Wink

Acceleration in spades !!

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #76 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:07am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

Tesla owners pay nothing for a charge at any of their super chargers. 45 minutes to have a coffee and catch up on the smart phone no problems and that's 45 minutes for a full charge of course ...

The working person is supposed to do this every day of the week - and then at the weekends? Are you kidding? How long will it be before those compulsory 45 minute recharging joints start to install poker machines, booze bars, TABs, and all the other sucker-traps that end up destroying families? The 45 minute stop ends up with fathers and husbands coming home 3 hours late ...

Not in My Name, Bucko!

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #77 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:45am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

So there you have it -
the Chinese can make an aluminium car but we can't & all our car factories have either
closed down or will be closed down.
Perhaps up to 40,000 workers will be directly or indirectly sacked.
People like Longy & BigOl think it's great.

What a disgrace!

hang your heads in shame.

they can make ONE - literally ONE - aluminium car. ONE. and it is unaffordable even if it were for sale - which it isnt.

You are easily impressed and hopelessly gullible.

Longy,
If you would have read the article they made 6 of them.

They are prototypes but will lead to a more economical car for
the people with less high specs.

wow... a whole SIX??? well that completely alters my argument.

Seriously dude, you are making a fool of yourself.

And one Holden VE commodore would have cost 1 billion if they had only made one.

Economies of scale LOL

Cretin! Angry

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #78 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:52am

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Hi Herby,
people will buy electric cars if they can mass produce
a more modest car for say $20K.

Who is going to park their car at the local service station for 45 minutes for a recharge?

Unless the recharge is at home - as with my electric bike - then nobody is going to leave the electric car at the servos overnight, each night, while using a bicycle to and from where it's being recharged.

And if electric cars started to be sold in any number, it would then follow that the petrol companies would make petrol prices at the bowsers so cheap that piston-engines would be the way to go.

And furthermore, if the electric cars don't have good acceleration speeds, then this would be a danger factor on the roads. Fast acceleration speeds is a tool that avoids accidents in certain circumstances.

Tesla owners pay nothing for a charge at any of their super chargers. 45 minutes to have a coffee and catch up on the smart phone no problems and that's 45 minutes for a full charge of course Wink

Find me a petrol station that offers the same deal Wink

Acceleration in spades !!

Yes sir Nail - acceleration far higher than a normal petrol car.

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #79 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:53am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Hi Herby,
people will buy electric cars if they can mass produce
a more modest car for say $20K.

Who is going to park their car at the local service station for 45 minutes for a recharge?

Unless the recharge is at home - as with my electric bike - then nobody is going to leave the electric car at the servos overnight, each night, while using a bicycle to and from where it's being recharged.

And if electric cars started to be sold in any number, it would then follow that the petrol companies would make petrol prices at the bowsers so cheap that piston-engines would be the way to go.

And furthermore, if the electric cars don't have good acceleration speeds, then this would be a danger factor on the roads. Fast acceleration speeds is a tool that avoids accidents in certain circumstances.

You charge the car up at night while you're sleeping.

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #82 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Yes sir Nail - acceleration far higher than a normal petrol car.

They speeded up the video tape - that's all. Cool

No they didn't - electric cars are the way of the future.
The Chinese are not slaves of American oil companies -
they will go their own way.

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Re: Nail was right - Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp
Reply #83 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Its a $1.2M car. How affordable is that? It is a two-seater. How practical is that? and the 45min recharge??? Not from a home power-point but a 100Kw connection - which no one has.

And still the same problem exists for EVs that people travel BIG distances and many do it often making the current crop of EVs useless. Maybe for a renter-nail who has no friends and nowhere to go but the servo where he works, but for everyone else.. no good at all.

Come back when you can build a 7 seater SUV with a 600mile range and under $60K. Until then, petrol cars are bigger, better, cheaper and more flexible.

ANYONE CAN BUILD AN EV WHEN PRICE IS NO OBJECT. trouble is, no one will buy them.

Correct.

Same with hybrids - expensive, impracticable, and they don't sell despite the novelty aspect of owning one.

And then people want to hear the bump and grind of piston cars to make them feel more alive.

And then the high speed being boasted of - where do the laws allow for such rocketry along the public roads? : Nowhere, except perhaps in the Simpson Desert or some gun-barrel highway that nobody's ever heard of up there at the Top End.

It's all BS on a stick.

Hi Herby,
people will buy electric cars if they can mass produce
a more modest car for say $20K.

But they CANT build ont hat cheep, can they dimwit? And tesla has economies of scale and they cant do it either. The battery pack alone costs $40K.

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Reply #84 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 3:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

Hi Herby,
people will buy electric cars if they can mass produce
a more modest car for say $20K.

Who is going to park their car at the local service station for 45 minutes for a recharge?

Unless the recharge is at home - as with my electric bike - then nobody is going to leave the electric car at the servos overnight, each night, while using a bicycle to and from where it's being recharged.

And if electric cars started to be sold in any number, it would then follow that the petrol companies would make petrol prices at the bowsers so cheap that piston-engines would be the way to go.

And furthermore, if the electric cars don't have good acceleration speeds, then this would be a danger factor on the roads. Fast acceleration speeds is a tool that avoids accidents in certain circumstances.

Tesla owners pay nothing for a charge at any of their super chargers. 45 minutes to have a coffee and catch up on the smart phone no problems and that's 45 minutes for a full charge of course Wink

Find me a petrol station that offers the same deal Wink

Acceleration in spades !!

and australia has TWO superchargers. Just two. And what if you want to recharge and go? YOU CANT. And it isnt 45mins. it is 45mins once you connect up behind the 6 cars in front of you aka TOMORROW.

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Reply #85 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

You charge the car up at night while you're sleeping.

forgiven

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Domestic power isn't enough to recharge the batteries.

Depends how long you want to charge. A simple calculation is that a Tesla battery is 80kilowatt-hours. That means from dead-flat it will take:

80 hours at 1Kw
40 hours at 2kw - standard power point
25 hours at 3.6kw - 15A socket
2 hours from a 40Kw threephase supply (assuming you dont use anything else)

And before anyone tells you it is cheap... at 35c/kwhr the mains electricity will cost you $25 for a full charge. Cheaper than petrol of course but not free or even close. And dont listen to the wankers that say you can just use 'free' solar energy from your $10,000 10Kw solar system because you will need to charge during the day (rather than drive it) and run your house on mains power.

It isnt some magic solution.

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Reply #86 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

You charge the car up at night while you're sleeping.

forgiven

namaste

Domestic power isn't enough to recharge the batteries.

Depends how long you want to charge. A simple calculation is that a Tesla battery is 80kilowatt-hours. That means from dead-flat it will take:

80 hours at 1Kw
40 hours at 2kw - standard power point
25 hours at 3.6kw - 15A socket
2 hours from a 40Kw threephase supply (assuming you dont use anything else)

And before anyone tells you it is cheap... at 35c/kwhr the mains electricity will cost you $25 for a full charge. Cheaper than petrol of course but not free or even close. And dont listen to the wankers that say you can just use 'free' solar energy from your $10,000 10Kw solar system because you will need to charge during the day (rather than drive it) and run your house on mains power.

It isnt some magic solution.

Stop talking facts.

These are some figures I worked out some time ago and ran past a sparky:

Assuming 85KWh battery.

Standard 10amp socket gives 2.4kW and will take 36 hours to charge the battery. Charging the Tesla uses the same amount of electricity as 24 x 100W light bulbs.

A 2kW solar setup, assuming a "Peak Sunshine Hour" figure of 5 hours per day (that seems to be an average figure in Australia) will take nearly 9 days to recharge the car. (And your car will need to be home during the day)

That "full tank" will get you up to 500km, and cost you $21 at the 25c tariff 11 (and half that if you only charged at the 13c Tariff 31 rate) Meanwhile, an equivalent family car running at say 10L/100km would cost $65 for the same distance. (A third of the price)

In the real world, a daily 30km round trip to work and back will take around 2 hours of charge to replenish the battery and every 15km driven is the equivalent of running a 100W lightbulb for a day.

The hybrid Camry would cost $40 to travel that distance without aircon running.

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Reply #87 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

Conclusion: In order for these cars to be feasible, every service station all over the country would have to have battery-exchange facilities which allow for batteries to be rolled-in and rolled-out of cars as they arrive for fully-charged batteries.

You arrive at a servo in Whoop Whoop where the attendant simply rolls your nearly expired battery out of its compartment and into a recharging bay, and then rolls a recharged battery into your car - and off you go after paying for the service.

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Reply #88 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:15pm

Fred_Frog wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

You charge the car up at night while you're sleeping.

forgiven

namaste

Domestic power isn't enough to recharge the batteries.

Depends how long you want to charge. A simple calculation is that a Tesla battery is 80kilowatt-hours. That means from dead-flat it will take:

80 hours at 1Kw
40 hours at 2kw - standard power point
25 hours at 3.6kw - 15A socket
2 hours from a 40Kw threephase supply (assuming you dont use anything else)

And before anyone tells you it is cheap... at 35c/kwhr the mains electricity will cost you $25 for a full charge. Cheaper than petrol of course but not free or even close. And dont listen to the wankers that say you can just use 'free' solar energy from your $10,000 10Kw solar system because you will need to charge during the day (rather than drive it) and run your house on mains power.

It isnt some magic solution.

Stop talking facts.

These are some figures I worked out some time ago and ran past a sparky:

Assuming 85KWh battery.

Standard 10amp socket gives 2.4kW and will take 36 hours to charge the battery. Charging the Tesla uses the same amount of electricity as 24 x 100W light bulbs.

A 2kW solar setup, assuming a "Peak Sunshine Hour" figure of 5 hours per day (that seems to be an average figure in Australia) will take nearly 9 days to recharge the car. (And your car will need to be home during the day)

That "full tank" will get you up to 500km, and cost you $21 at the 25c tariff 11 (and half that if you only charged at the 13c Tariff 31 rate) Meanwhile, an equivalent family car running at say 10L/100km would cost $65 for the same distance. (A third of the price)

In the real world, a daily 30km round trip to work and back will take around 2 hours of charge to replenish the battery and every 15km driven is the equivalent of running a 100W lightbulb for a day.

The hybrid Camry would cost $40 to travel that distance without aircon running.

All of these threads are about losers like last-Nail and his pitiful gay sycophant - Booby - claiming how wonderful EVs are and how it is all 'the libbos' fault we dont have them blah blah blah. Naturally neither of these buffoons owns one or has any plans to.

Even EV manufacturers admit and discuss their weakness which are simply Range and Recharge. And cost of course. Tesla has pretty much beaten Range but recharge is still extremely long and inconvenient and the cars are 3 times the price of petrol equivalents.

They have a long way to go and I do not know how they will EVER beat the recharge time problem without providing 500kW connections and chargers which simply do not exist not do we have the power stations available to generate it.

The laws of physics dont bend for anyone.

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Reply #89 - Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Conclusion: In order for these cars to be feasible, every service station all over the country would have to have battery-exchange facilities which allow for batteries to be rolled-in and rolled-out of cars as they arrive for fully-charged batteries.

You arrive at a servo in Whoop Whoop where the attendant simply rolls your nearly expired battery out of its compartment and into a recharging bay, and then rolls a recharged battery into your car - and off you go after paying for the service.

Battery swapover has been trialled, but he problem is that they arent exactly the size of your car battery now. The TEsla's battery is half the length of the car. The idea is good but practically not very good. These batteries cost $40K so do you feel like buying your brand new car with is spanking new $40K battery and then a few days later swap that battery out for someone else's 5yo battery with half the life?

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