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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #15 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #16 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:22am
 
All this anti-Trump desperation is so pathetic. Harden up snowflakes, accept that the people rejected your choice and work on putting up reasoned arguments to take to the next election, instead of this juvenile dummy spitting.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #17 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:33am
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:22am:
accept that the people rejected your choice


Clinton won the popular vote, thus, the people's choice for President was Clinton.

It was the Electoral College that chose Trump, not the people.

America didn't get the President they wanted.

These are the facts.
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #18 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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Stocks and business.

Do you know the difference?

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #19 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:36am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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Stocks and business.

Do you know the difference?

Interests in businesses. Same thing to me. Obama has interests all over the place.
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #20 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:37am
 
Even if Trump does become impeached, I wouldn't count it as a blessing.  That would leave Pence in power who has been known to have some of the most bizarre views of the Christian fundamentalist/Tea Party right. He for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under the Bush administration’s bullshit “war on terror." He also voted for every attack on democratic rights and the expansion of NSA and CIA surveillance powers.

Pence has been known to gut social spending for such programs as public education while publicly stating he is a strong opponent of abortion and gay rights. This Indiana idiot congressman was best known back in 2005 when he claimed Hurricane Katrina had cleared the way for “free market” solutions in New Orleans and the general Gulf Coast.

Actually, Pence is best known for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which gave full reign to individuals and companies to discriminate based on their bullshit “religious beliefs.” He is also responsible for Advance America which is one whacky ultra-right Christian sect, who claim Pence's law means “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage.”
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #21 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:38am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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Stocks and business.

Do you know the difference?

Interests in businesses. Same thing to me. Obama has interests all over the place.


Put the goal posts back where they were, Homo.

You said: "Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics".

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #22 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:40am
 
Marla wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:37am:
Even if Trump does become impeached, I wouldn't count it as a blessing.  That would leave Pence in power who has been known to have some of the most bizarre views of the Christian fundamentalist/Tea Party right. He for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under the Bush administration’s bullshit “war on terror." He also voted for every attack on democratic rights and the expansion of NSA and CIA surveillance powers.

Pence has been known to gut social spending for such programs as public education while publicly stating he is a strong opponent of abortion and gay rights. This Indiana idiot congressman was best known back in 2005 when he claimed Hurricane Katrina had cleared the way for “free market” solutions in New Orleans and the general Gulf Coast.

Actually, Pence is best known for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which gave full reign to individuals and companies to discriminate based on their bullshit “religious beliefs.” He is also responsible for Advance America which is one whacky ultra-right Christian sect, who claim Pence's law means “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage.”



All of that is true but it doesn't matter, as long as Trump doesn't get his own way and is made to look a fool.

The man pig needs to be taken down a few pegs, and he needs to face the courts for his alleged crimes.

Pence can be dealt with later.

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #23 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:42am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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First Published: May 15, 2009: 6:11 PM ET



Stocks and business.

Do you know the difference?

Interests in businesses. Same thing to me. Obama has interests all over the place.


Put the goal posts back where they were, Homo.

You said: "Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics".

The shareholders of America have never had it so good. Obviously Obama was looking after his own ass. Scumbag!!
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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #24 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:43am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:02am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:52am:
... Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics,,,


Obama.

Obama's top 10 stocks

According to the latest disclosure from the White House, President Obama is a fan of index-fund investing. See the stocks in his main holding.
 


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- When it comes to policy, President Obama is moving like lightning. But when it comes to his investments, he's playing it cool.

Obama holds the bulk of his investing assets in U.S. Treasury bonds, with a range of between $1 million and more than $5 million, according to a disclosure of personal financial interests released Friday.

He also has between $101,000 and $265,000 in two checking accounts.

To save for his kids' college tuition, he has between $100,000 and $200,000 in two 529 savings plans from Bright Directions: One for children up to 8 years old and one for those between 9 and 12.

The vast majority of his mutual fund holdings are in the Vanguard FTSE Social Index fund (VFTSX), with a range of between $115,000 and $250,000.

According to the Vanguard site, the fund consists of mostly U.S. large and mid-sized companies that meet certain social and environmental criteria. The index tracks the performance of the FTSE4Good US Select.

The fund's Top 10 holdings, according to the Vanguard site are:
1.JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
2.Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
3.Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
4.Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
5.Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
6.McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
7.Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
8.Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
9.CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
10.Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)
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First Published: May 15, 2009: 6:11 PM ET



Stocks and business.

Do you know the difference?

Interests in businesses. Same thing to me. Obama has interests all over the place.


Put the goal posts back where they were, Homo.

You said: "Name me a politician in modern times who doesn't have businesses outside of politics".

The shareholders of America have never had it so good. Obviously Obama was looking after his own ass. Scumbag!!



White flag accepted.

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #25 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:44am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:40am:
Marla wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:37am:
Even if Trump does become impeached, I wouldn't count it as a blessing.  That would leave Pence in power who has been known to have some of the most bizarre views of the Christian fundamentalist/Tea Party right. He for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under the Bush administration’s bullshit “war on terror." He also voted for every attack on democratic rights and the expansion of NSA and CIA surveillance powers.

Pence has been known to gut social spending for such programs as public education while publicly stating he is a strong opponent of abortion and gay rights. This Indiana idiot congressman was best known back in 2005 when he claimed Hurricane Katrina had cleared the way for “free market” solutions in New Orleans and the general Gulf Coast.

Actually, Pence is best known for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which gave full reign to individuals and companies to discriminate based on their bullshit “religious beliefs.” He is also responsible for Advance America which is one whacky ultra-right Christian sect, who claim Pence's law means “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage.”



All of that is true but it doesn't matter, as long as Trump doesn't get his own way and is made to look a fool.

The man pig needs to be taken down a few pegs, and he needs to face the courts for his alleged crimes.

Pence can be dealt with later.

You do know Trump is going to be president for 4  years Pecca. Maybe even more. All your whinging and crying isn't going to change that. You have to come to terms with it. Grin
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Reply #26 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:45am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 9:41am:
Donald Trump has sticky fingers and he won't be able to resist turning a buck from his presidency.

He will milk it for all he is worth, so will his kids..
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Reply #27 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:47am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:44am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:40am:
Marla wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:37am:
Even if Trump does become impeached, I wouldn't count it as a blessing.  That would leave Pence in power who has been known to have some of the most bizarre views of the Christian fundamentalist/Tea Party right. He for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under the Bush administration’s bullshit “war on terror." He also voted for every attack on democratic rights and the expansion of NSA and CIA surveillance powers.

Pence has been known to gut social spending for such programs as public education while publicly stating he is a strong opponent of abortion and gay rights. This Indiana idiot congressman was best known back in 2005 when he claimed Hurricane Katrina had cleared the way for “free market” solutions in New Orleans and the general Gulf Coast.

Actually, Pence is best known for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which gave full reign to individuals and companies to discriminate based on their bullshit “religious beliefs.” He is also responsible for Advance America which is one whacky ultra-right Christian sect, who claim Pence's law means “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage.”



All of that is true but it doesn't matter, as long as Trump doesn't get his own way and is made to look a fool.

The man pig needs to be taken down a few pegs, and he needs to face the courts for his alleged crimes.

Pence can be dealt with later.

You do know Trump is going to be president for 4  years Pecca.


No, I don't know that at all.

Moreover, many experts are predicting he'll only last a maximum of two years.

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #28 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:48am
 

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Yes, President Obama is a multimillionaire.

Being the president of the United States has done well for his portfolio, as you will see below. But that was expected when he was elected president.

It’s easy to assume that the leader of the most powerful country in the world has at his disposal the best money managers in the business.

So let’s see where the president invests his money, and why it’s important to you, the investor.

Today, I will share with all my readers the specifics of the US president’s personal portfolio.

In 2013, President Obama earned a presidential salary of $400,000, plus a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment.

Those amounts are exact and have been fixed since 2001 for all presidents.

US federal financial disclosure forms don’t give the exact amounts; instead they give a range, but my longtime readers know my background is complex mathematics, and this is the type of research I do for fun, so I’ll break it down for you.

Before I jump into the details, here’s why I’m doing this. I was recently invited to a lunch with Presidents Bush and Clinton that’s going to take place in the fall, and I wondered what I may have in common with them—in case casual conversation occurred. I was told President Obama might be a last-minute addition.

Well, like Bush, I like oil and uranium. Like Clinton, I’m a vegan. But Obama… that was a tough one—as I have nothing in common with the man.

So, rather than having an unpleasant experience talking about the government’s failed foreign policy if by chance I do speak with him, I thought it would be more productive to do some research on the president’s portfolio—so if he asked, I’d be informed enough to talk about it.

So just before checking out of my wonderful hotel in Barcelona (on a side note, if you ever have the chance to visit Barcelona, make the effort to visit the Basilica de la Sagrada Família, built by famous architect Antoni Gaudí—regardless of your religious beliefs, it’s an architectural wonder), I downloaded the most recent Executive Branch Personnel Public Financial Disclosure Report and during my nine-hour flight back home, I went painstakingly through each Excel cell of the president’s portfolio—and I’m sure you’ll be happy I did.

Results:

President Obama’s investment portfolio is worth up to $7,145,000. As I said earlier, the exact number is not given, but I worked out the range.

In 2013, the president earned up to $334,010 from dividends from his investments and royalties from his book deals. Just to put things in perspective, that amount is up to 83.5% of his annual presidential salary.

In 2013, he earned somewhere between 2.35% and 2.5% overall in dividends from his investment portfolio. (That means President Obama is not a subscriber to the Casey Energy Report, as our portfolio is beating his portfolio’s performance by over 600% year to date.

But let’s get into the juicy details—such as, who manages the president’s money?

The average American (AKA Obama voter) may believe Obama fights for them against the big banks. Think again.

JPMorgan, the biggest bank of all, manages some of the president’s money, as does Vanguard. Both can easily be classified as too big to fail, and that could be why President Obama has his money with them.

Where does he put most of his net worth?

US Treasury notes, where he has up to $5 million, and US Treasury bills, where he has up to $500,000. Well, those yield less than 1%.

This is a perfect segue into why President Obama clearly has no comprehension of basic finance and a truly poor economic understanding.

Obama has a mortgage on his residence in Illinois. Again, the specific number isn’t stated, but the mortgage is somewhere between $500,000 and $1 million, at an interest rate of 5.625%. The incurred date of the mortgage was 2005.

Let’s think about this for a second: President Obama is paying 5.625% on his mortgage annually.

He could easily pay off that mortgage, but he would rather pay a 5.625% mortgage rate to the banks and collect less than 1% on his Treasury bills. Awful.

A supporter of Obama would say that there must be a reason, and I agree. But the real reason is not a tax advantage or portfolio planning—it’s that President Obama doesn’t understand basic mathematics.

Now, if the Treasuries were paying him much more than his mortgage, I would understand the logic behind his decision, but that is obviously not the case.

Basic financial prudence dictates that you should always pay off your debts when you can, especially when the debts are costing you more than what you’re earning on your core investments. But it’s clear to me that President Obama runs his personal finances as poorly as he does the nation’s.

However, as I said before, he has done well for himself by being president. In 2013, he earned up to $165,000 from royalties from his books (I wonder if he actually wrote them, but that is another subject entirely).

Well, at least we know he won’t be writing any financial-planning books anytime soon.

The Casey Energy team routinely follows all the investments of the state and federal politicians in the US and Canada to keep our eyes on where the people making the policies have their money. Trust me, it’s important to know where the politicians put their own money.

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Re: Is it all over for Trump?
Reply #29 - Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:49am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:33am:
Belgarion wrote on Nov 22nd, 2016 at 10:22am:
accept that the people rejected your choice


Clinton won the popular vote, thus, the people's choice for President was Clinton.

It was the Electoral College that chose Trump, not the people.

America didn't get the President they wanted.

These are the facts.


And thus my point is proven...... Roll Eyes
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