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Re: Another take on the popular vote
Reply #75 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:00am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:47am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:17am:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am:
Stupid people will always make stupid comments ...



True.

"The election is absolutely being rigged ... " Donald Trump

Clinton won the popular vote; America did not get the President they voted for.




Pointing at trump does not make you and your comments any less so.


It is their system, and that is that, regardless of how you feel about it.



It's a rigged system, Big, it's corrupt to the core. The media are in on the game, as is the Establishment. Trump exposed all this. Of course they'll put him in as president.

The Amerikan Dream is dead .
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Reply #76 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:01am
 
You'll miss me when I'm gone.

Who else would tolerate Greg. Agnes has even got her party frock out in the hope I'll take her somewhere.
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Reply #77 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:02am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:55am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:47am:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am:
We don't know ...



Indeed.

"Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow"




The game's rigged, Greggery. We all know Hillary won the erection. One thing's for sure: the mainstream media will never tell you that.

Bogie lost the bet. He should do the right thing and leave for good. Of course we'd miss him, but this is a matter of principle.


True, so true.

Bogie will never do the honourable thing, though.

'Honour' and 'principles' just aren't in his vocabulary.



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Reply #78 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:04am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am:
Prolly didn't realise that in a first world democracy they don't tend to threaten their citizens with punitive legislation forcing them to do something that is a fundamental human right, so it is irrelevant what she thinks or says.



Firstly, I reviewed my recorded programs and that silly woman (Kate Ellis, as it turns out) wasn't on The Drum but on Q&A. Not that it makes much difference, the ABC being a lefty globalist station, they still haven't slowed down from their thinly disguised disapproval of Trump in their news commentaries and programs

Kate Ellis is a Labor shadow minister and if she had any credibility she would have offered a reason why compulsory voting would have produced a different result, but she offered nothing, and there was young people in the audience listening to her brainwashing diatribe. By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked with anti Trump people, there was only nine Trump supporters, indicated by an impromptu show of hands, when asked by Barnaby, a member on the panel


No reason offered, no credibility, Ellis needs to be ignored (shadow minister for Early Childhood Education, of all things)
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Reply #79 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:04am
 
Neither are "shame" or "soul" as I've repeatedly warned you.
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Reply #80 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:06am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:01am:
You'll miss me when I'm gone.

Who else would tolerate Greg. Agnes has even got her party frock out in the hope I'll take her somewhere.


Don't go, Bogie. We'll vote you in.

If a majority votes to throw you out, no worries. We'll just shift the goalposts.
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Reply #81 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:08am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:04am:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 8:37am:
Prolly didn't realise that in a first world democracy they don't tend to threaten their citizens with punitive legislation forcing them to do something that is a fundamental human right, so it is irrelevant what she thinks or says.



Firstly, I reviewed my recorded programs and that silly woman (Kate Ellis, as it turns out) wasn't on The Drum but on Q&A. Not that it makes much difference, the ABC being a lefty globalist station, they still haven't slowed down from their thinly disguised disapproval of Trump in their news commentaries and programs

Kate Ellis is a Labor shadow minister and if she had any credibility she would have offered a reason why compulsory voting would have produced a different result, but she offered nothing, and there was young people in the audience listening to her brainwashing diatribe. By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked with anti Trump people, there was only nine Trump supporters, indicated by an impromptu show of hands, when asked by Barnaby, a member on the panel


No reason offered, no credibility, Ellis needs to be ignored (shadow minister for Early Childhood Education, of all things)



Probably got a degree in Nostril Hygiene from La Trobe university or some other such seat of falsehood dissemination.

Not to worry, they are all yesterday's people. But slow as they are on the uptake, they haven't realised it yet.
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Reply #82 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:09am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:04am:
By the way, that Q&A audience was stacked  ...


It always is, dear.

It always is.

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Reply #83 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:10am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:02am:
Melanias purse wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:55am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:47am:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 9:43am:
We don't know ...



Indeed.

"Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow"




The game's rigged, Greggery. We all know Hillary won the erection. One thing's for sure: the mainstream media will never tell you that.

Bogie lost the bet. He should do the right thing and leave for good. Of course we'd miss him, but this is a matter of principle.


True, so true.

Bogie will never do the honourable thing, though.

'Honour' and 'principles' just aren't in his vocabulary.





Now now, Bogie said he'd refuse to accept it if Hillary got erected. Bogie, you see, believes in the truth.

It's why he posts all those fake news sites.
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Reply #84 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:29am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 10:08am:
Probably got a degree in Nostril Hygiene from La Trobe university or some other such seat of falsehood dissemination.

Not to worry, they are all yesterday's people. But slow as they are on the uptake, they haven't realised it yet.




Will we include Laurie Oakes, poor guy, tryin' to eat his bit of pizza with his nervous shacking hand while watching Trump gather 270 +

On a commercial station of course, but even I was feeling his pain. How long has he been a journo?

Oh yes, and then there was Greg Sheridan .....
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Reply #85 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:58am
 
We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties.
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Reply #86 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:00pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:58am:
We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties.



Their voting system was never meant to provide fairness or unfairness, it was meant to prevent mob rule and it's excesses. The original intent of their constitution was about freedom ... and resisting "freebies" from government. For longevity of their Constitutional Republic

But over the centuries, certain amendments, the 14th, 16th and 17th crept in and now there is a proposal to get them out. They are causing problems that are bringing the US to it's knees, however under Obama's watch, nothing was being done. The United States has a better chance now of getting those adversarial amendments struck out under a more conservative President and Congress. The 14th, 16th and 17th were never properly ratified so a repeal process is not necessary I believe, just a line drawn through them

But again, their voting system is a cross between indirect and direct elections, and it's not for foreigners to tell them how it should be or that it needs changing in any way, Americans only will decide
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Reply #87 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 11:58am:
We all know how the Electoral College system works. However, when the entire country is voting for just two positions - president and vice-president - there is only one fair and reasonable way to do it which is via the popular vote. Not because the outcome would suit me, but because it is fairer. The current system seems destined to be unfair and actually leaves some states without either party taking much interest in them because they either cant win or cant lose the state. but if there were just votes up for grabs... everyone would get interest from both parties.



Their voting system was never meant to provide fairness or unfairness, it was meant to prevent mob rule and it's excesses. The original intent of their constitution was about freedom ... and resisting "freebies" from government. For longevity of their Constitutional Republic

But over the centuries, certain amendments, the 14th, 16th and 17th crept in and now there is a proposal to get them out. They are causing problems that are bringing the US to it's knees, however under Obama's watch, nothing was being done. The United States has a better chance now of getting those adversarial amendments struck out under a more conservative President and Congress. The 14th, 16th and 17th were never properly ratified so a repeal process is not necessary I believe, just a line drawn through them

But again, their voting system is a cross between indirect and direct elections, and it's not for foreigners to tell them how it should be or that it needs changing in any way, Americans only will decide


If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist.

And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent.

BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'.
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Reply #88 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist.



That's right, but they've been advantageous to the usurpers who kept them there



longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent.




Congress is elected at the same time .... did you miss that while the vote counting was going on?

It's not for us to question their election system, no more than you'd agree to them questioning our way of doing things


longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'.



That's a sudden turnaround, glad you admit the Libs and Labs are mob rule

The US was never meant to be a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic, placed at about the mid point along the political spectrum, whereby one end of the spectrum has no government, the other end having full authoritarian government
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Reply #89 - Nov 16th, 2016 at 2:58pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
If amendments are not raitified then they have no power end effectively do not exist.



That's right, but they've been advantageous to the usurpers who kept them there



longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
And what is this 'mob rule' rubbish'? how is a direct election of president 'mob rule' anymore than the same mob voting via a college? The outcomes are almost always the same and when they arent, the unfairness becomes apparent.




Congress is elected at the same time .... did you miss that while the vote counting was going on?

It's not for us to question their election system, no more than you'd agree to them questioning our way of doing things


longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
BTW democracy is in effect, 'mob rule'.



That's a sudden turnaround, glad you admit the Libs and Labs are mob rule

The US was never meant to be a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic, placed at about the mid point along the political spectrum, whereby one end of the spectrum has no government, the other end having full authoritarian government



The 'mob' are voters. If you dont understand that then I cant help you. If you dont like representative democracy then there are several countries you could go to.
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