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Jul 24th, 2016 at 2:00pm
 
In another Thread, a Poster said this:

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Scumbag howard threatened the people of QLD to pass laws that were not federal laws which means it has nothing to do with him. This goes against the sec 118 which defends states rights to make laws.


That little PoS threatened to withhold funding to the state of QLD unless his laws were passed, against the will of the people of QLD.

No-one stood up to that nice person, so no reason we can't do that again with passing laws that defy the constitution.


To avoid de-railing that Thread, I'm asking here what is being referred to there in that Post?
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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 2:02pm
 
Anything involving howard is suspect, illegal, immoral and probably has something to do with devil worship.

He will do the whole world a favor when he goes to hell.
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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 3:20pm
 
Keating did the same thing prior to the introduction of 'domestic violence laws' which were clearly, and remain, against Law - when he told the States that unless they adopted uniform legislations to cater to that demand, funding would be cut.  That was around 1992, and all that has happened since those 'laws' were introduced is that more families have been shattered, more women killed and injured, more men killed, injured and criminalised, and more children emotionally destroyed.

Beware of all kinds of Fascists bearing gifts...... they always bring wars with them, and they themselves never suffer the costs.

It seems this kind of stand-over is SOP for all our backyard Fascists masquerading as politicians.
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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
Anything involving howard is suspect, illegal, immoral and probably has something to do with devil worship.

He will do the whole world a favor when he goes to hell.


Now, now - don't hold back on your feelings for that rat weasel, for fear of upsetting anyone here... give it to him both barrels.
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Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm
 
UndecidedValkie wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
Anything involving howard is suspect, illegal, immoral and probably has something to do with devil worship.

He will do the whole world a favor when he goes to hell.


Snake in the grass. Aussies got played like fiddles.
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Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm
 
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


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Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:21pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


What about taking a country to war without senate approval?
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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:21pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


What about taking a country to war without senate approval?


Technically it is a decision by Cabinet which can potentially be vetoed (but never has been) by the lower house. The senate has no say as it is not a bill to be passed or rejected.
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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


And you, sir, are still struggling with your lack of real life history and with your functional inability to view anything outside your closed little world... there are definitions for that these days...

Some of us seek to struggle against REAL issues of REAL harm and to view and deal with those dispassionately - those such as yourself are the IS vandals of this world, having no real idea but a seriously fixed adherence to some mythical existence in fairyland.

Indeed - state and federal legislatures have and will continue to pass laws that contravene the rule of Law... that is precisely why we need a total overhaul of the entire process of law-making and its insertion into the anuses collective of this society.
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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 9:17pm
 
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No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law.


They certainly can, and until it is found to be unconstitutional by a competent Court having jurisdiction, it is enforceable Law.  There are other cute circumstances which arise as well, where, for example both were competent and have enacted Laws at times when there was no concurrency, and then the later Federal Act takes precedence over the State Act.  This has had particular application in Laws relating to Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders.
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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:09pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


And you, sir, are still struggling with your lack of real life history and with your functional inability to view anything outside your closed little world... there are definitions for that these days...

Some of us seek to struggle against REAL issues of REAL harm and to view and deal with those dispassionately - those such as yourself are the IS vandals of this world, having no real idea but a seriously fixed adherence to some mythical existence in fairyland.

Indeed - state and federal legislatures have and will continue to pass laws that contravene the rule of Law... that is precisely why we need a total overhaul of the entire process of law-making and its insertion into the anuses collective of this society.


if you had a brain you would realise that Lawmakers cannot themselves make laws that contravene the laws they make.  its a kinda dumb thought.
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:18pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


And you, sir, are still struggling with your lack of real life history and with your functional inability to view anything outside your closed little world... there are definitions for that these days...

Some of us seek to struggle against REAL issues of REAL harm and to view and deal with those dispassionately - those such as yourself are the IS vandals of this world, having no real idea but a seriously fixed adherence to some mythical existence in fairyland.

Indeed - state and federal legislatures have and will continue to pass laws that contravene the rule of Law... that is precisely why we need a total overhaul of the entire process of law-making and its insertion into the anuses collective of this society.


if you had a brain you would realise that Lawmakers cannot themselves make laws that contravene the laws they make.  its a kinda dumb thought.


Ah - so they cannot make laws that contravene the laws they make, eh?  So they CAN make laws that contravene the rule of Law, as long as they don't contravene the laws they make for themselves...

If you had half a brain you'd look at history, and specifically at the NAZIs and the Stalinists.... they were experts at making laws that contravened the Rule of LAW.

That is precisely why one of my dissertations is on the differences between legislation, law as practiced based on legislation, and Law Itself - and into that pot I also threw regulation, since 70% of government is by regulation and department policy and NOT legislation.

You are not even on the right track yet.... and your response is indicative of a form of intellectual autism....
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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:15am
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 9:17pm:
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No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law.


They certainly can, and until it is found to be unconstitutional by a competent Court having jurisdiction, it is enforceable Law.  There are other cute circumstances which arise as well, where, for example both were competent and have enacted Laws at times when there was no concurrency, and then the later Federal Act takes precedence over the State Act.  This has had particular application in Laws relating to Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders.


You are correct, but I was not going into the detail as to a law being found unconstitutional at a later date. I might add however, that any charges, penalties sentences or other effects of a law that is revoked is then subject to immediate compensation as a result.
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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:20am
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:18pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Sometimes you people sound stupider than anyone could possibly imagine.

NO state or federal govt can pass a law that is contrary to the constitution. No state can pass a law that is in contravention to an existing Federal law. The feds can unilaterally overturn any such law - and have.

Clear now?


And Grappler is still struggling with his AVO history.


And you, sir, are still struggling with your lack of real life history and with your functional inability to view anything outside your closed little world... there are definitions for that these days...

Some of us seek to struggle against REAL issues of REAL harm and to view and deal with those dispassionately - those such as yourself are the IS vandals of this world, having no real idea but a seriously fixed adherence to some mythical existence in fairyland.

Indeed - state and federal legislatures have and will continue to pass laws that contravene the rule of Law... that is precisely why we need a total overhaul of the entire process of law-making and its insertion into the anuses collective of this society.


if you had a brain you would realise that Lawmakers cannot themselves make laws that contravene the laws they make.  its a kinda dumb thought.


Ah - so they cannot make laws that contravene the laws they make, eh?  So they CAN make laws that contravene the rule of Law, as long as they don't contravene the laws they make for themselves...

If you had half a brain you'd look at history, and specifically at the NAZIs and the Stalinists.... they were experts at making laws that contravened the Rule of LAW.

That is precisely why one of my dissertations is on the differences between legislation, law as practiced based on legislation, and Law Itself - and into that pot I also threw regulation, since 70% of government is by regulation and department policy and NOT legislation.

You are not even on the right track yet.... and your response is indicative of a form of intellectual autism....



Based on your other confused, confusing and contradictory writing I acan only image what this 'dissertation' is like. You are seek to create this 'Rule of Law' notion as if it is something you define rather than it being itself the body of law as it exists and the notion of obiedence to same.

Like so many other conspiracy nutters, you create this 'law' that serves your purpose despite it either not existing or not being what you think it is. You should try reading the Flat Earthers understand of the Law of Perspective. I grant you are brighter than they are (who isnt!) but the concept is the same.
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