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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #45 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:03pm

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Some "people" in here advocate the killing of all Muslims - every last man, woman and child (because they mistakenly believe that all Muslims are terrorists and all terrorists are Muslims).

That is half correct. The bit in brackets was never stated.

See my signature.

That's correct.

Nicole Page 2016 does exhort that we should murder every man, woman and child who is a Muslim.

I wonder what method she prefers for the infants?

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #46 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

In a total war, nobody wins. Every body loses.

Bullsh*t. Germany and Japan lost the total war.

But what of the others that we lost in the war? What of the countless people who will never see their son/ father / mother/ uncle - not even their bodies? No, there is no winning when it comes to wars. Rather, just endless cycle of suffering.

Want to see endless suffering, try doing nothing while you enemy is trying to kill you and your family.

War is not for the weak and soft of heart, it is a nasty business; but if you are going to fight it, at least fight to win.

No-one has negotiated with these idiots and they never will, kill them or be killed by them; what is your choice

Humans had been trying to kill each other for a LONG time. I do not think it actually changes anything. If you look back in history, the reasons are the same, its just, different land, different kings, different name of gods. We are already at war with ISIS, in fact billions of dollars had been spent on it already. By now, you should realize that this is not a typical 'war' that we can win using force of arm alone. The definition of insanity is to try the same thing again and again, expecting different results.

Countries rightly or wrongly have been piss farting around the edges not fighting a war.

those 100,000 dead civilians in Iraq 90% killed in the sectarian violence that followed the power vacuum.

those 150 new Taliban recruits pushed that way because a drone mistook a wedding for a terrorist get together.

Fight it properly and accept the losses or get the hell out!

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #47 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

I don't believe in capital punishment, not because of some airy fairy notion of sanctity of life if someone harmed my family I would end their life with my bare hands. I just don't trust a Govt to hold that power

Ditto.

Really?
what would you do gwegg ridicule them to death

Really.

I'm not predisposed to killing.

You are not predisposed in doing much of any note or effort.

You seem to have mistaken me for someone who gives a poo about what you think.

Try to stay on topic, okay boy?

Just pointing out you're a soft cock, who is known for trolling and doing nothing of any worth. And doing things to fix the problem is the topic, ok nipple-dick?

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #48 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

I don't believe in capital punishment, not because of some airy fairy notion of sanctity of life if someone harmed my family I would end their life with my bare hands. I just don't trust a Govt to hold that power

Ditto.

Really?
what would you do gwegg ridicule them to death

Really.

I'm not predisposed to killing.

You are not predisposed in doing much of any note or effort.

You seem to have mistaken me for someone who gives a poo about what you think.

Try to stay on topic, okay boy?

Just pointing out you're a soft cock ...

And you prefer a hard cock (not that there's ...).

Duly noted.

I'll pass the info on to Booby.

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #49 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

Which is why my preferred course of action is here:

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #15 - Today at 11:58am Quote Modify They have no issue killing western children, in fact they have no problem killing Muslim children either.

It's not often I agree with Biggie but this fluffing about is not achieving anything militarily or in the "Hearts & Minds" department.

Either pull out, pay them for their oil & let them do whatever they wish to the poor unfortunates born within their borders, OR bomb the crap out of them, full carpet bombing of whole regions 500K soldiers on the ground going house to house shooting anything that looks the wrong way.

Install an interim government but be prepared to stay in the area for upward of 20 years.

Or invest the billions the above will cost into developing alternate fuels & storage & stop paying & caring about the M.E

Forget the Middle East, let them go back to the 5th century if thats what the majority of the populace choose to allow to happen.

If any of them try a terrorist attack after we in the west have moved on inform them they have 48 hours to hand over all involved or we nuke their capital.

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Reply #50 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:21pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

You just described the way this war is currently being waged; and you are correct it will achieve nothing; that is not total war. As you rightly pointed out the last war that had a decisive victory was WWII and that was the last time Total war was waged on a large scale.

If you want to win you really have to want to win, fart-arsing about like homos in a flower shop isn't going to work. So we either win this war or we wait patiently to lose it.

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #51 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:35pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

You just described the way this war is currently being waged; and you are correct it will achieve nothing; that is not total war. As you rightly pointed out the last war that had a decisive victory was WWII and that was the last time Total war was waged on a large scale.

If you want to wine you really have to want to win, fart-arsing about like homos in a flower shop isn't going to work. So we either win this war or we wait patiently to lose it

In that case, then you are looking at ... oh I dont know - a world scale war. I mean, countries like Russia is never going to sit back, and watch you destroy the entire Syria / Iraq / Iran. The Russians will ensure that US will be mired in that hellhole for decades, at the cost of trillions, without even direct declaration of war just like what the CIA did to them in Afghanistan.

As the US is mired in middle East. There will be renewed taliban and AQEADA insurgency in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And while this is happening, other countries will be getting their hands on their own things. E.g. North Korea will encroach in the south. China will exert more in the pacific ocean. The US is powerful at the moment, but it cannot deal with everyone like what happened to Germany.

Your all out war will bankrupt the western democracies, bringing more death and destruction, and in its wake, more extremist governance. It will set back humanity for hundreds of years.

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #52 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Just pointing out you're a soft cock ...

And you prefer a hard cock (not that there's ...).

Duly noted.

I'll pass the info on to Booby.

Fkk, you're friggen genius; it is such a deft handling of the Rubber - Glue Gambit, I have not seen since my later years in primary school. I see your 10 years there was most certainly not wasted. Grin

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Reply #53 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:40pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

Which is why my preferred course of action is here:

Quote:

Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #15 - Today at 11:58am Quote Modify They have no issue killing western children, in fact they have no problem killing Muslim children either.

It's not often I agree with Biggie but this fluffing about is not achieving anything militarily or in the "Hearts & Minds" department.

Either pull out, pay them for their oil & let them do whatever they wish to the poor unfortunates born within their borders, OR bomb the crap out of them, full carpet bombing of whole regions 500K soldiers on the ground going house to house shooting anything that looks the wrong way.

Install an interim government but be prepared to stay in the area for upward of 20 years.

Or invest the billions the above will cost into developing alternate fuels & storage & stop paying & caring about the M.E

Forget the Middle East, let them go back to the 5th century if thats what the majority of the populace choose to allow to happen.

If any of them try a terrorist attack after we in the west have moved on inform them they have 48 hours to hand over all involved or we nuke their capital.

What if its a terrorist that have no affiliation to any country? And just say, there is a terrorist from Palestine, are you really going to nuke the west bank? What do you think Israel would do? And if its a terrorist from Chechen. Are you going to nuke Russia? If its a terrorist from Afghantisan, are you going to nuke a location next to three nuclear states? Really? Is this how men think these days???

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #54 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

If you look at history, the US superpowers have actually not won a war since World War 2. This is because, wars are no longer fought in the conversional way anymore. There is this thing called asymetrical warfare. This is exactly like Vietnam war and Korean war. They do not have to win to win.

And yes, you can kill people. But you cant kill every single person, as its such a large, remote area. When pushed to the edge of death, even an animal will bite back at you. Plus, what is that going to do to the moral of the troops? What of the soldiers you sent to kill civilians come back with severe PTSD. What if they flip ? Are you going to kill them and their family as well? I mean, just down to basics. Will you be able to pull the trigger on women and children cowering and begging for mercy? Seriously?

Which is why my preferred course of action is here:

Quote:

Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #15 - Today at 11:58am Quote Modify They have no issue killing western children, in fact they have no problem killing Muslim children either.

It's not often I agree with Biggie but this fluffing about is not achieving anything militarily or in the "Hearts & Minds" department.

Either pull out, pay them for their oil & let them do whatever they wish to the poor unfortunates born within their borders, OR bomb the crap out of them, full carpet bombing of whole regions 500K soldiers on the ground going house to house shooting anything that looks the wrong way.

Install an interim government but be prepared to stay in the area for upward of 20 years.

Or invest the billions the above will cost into developing alternate fuels & storage & stop paying & caring about the M.E

Forget the Middle East, let them go back to the 5th century if thats what the majority of the populace choose to allow to happen.

If any of them try a terrorist attack after we in the west have moved on inform them they have 48 hours to hand over all involved or we nuke their capital.

What if its a terrorist that have no affiliation to any country? And just say, there is a terrorist from Palestine, are you really going to nuke the west bank? What do you think Israel would do? And if its a terrorist from Chechen. Are you going to nuke Russia? If its a terrorist from Afghantisan, are you going to nuke a location next to three nuclear states? Really? Is this how men think these days???

Your branching out, & I might add 2 very good examples of countries that deal with terrorism the correct way instead of fluffing around.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #56 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:53pm Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:19pm: Excuse me... But what do Muslims, the ME and WAR... have to do with Capital punishment?
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Reply #57 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:02pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Excuse me... But what do Muslims, the ME and WAR...

have to do with Capital punishment?

The OP:

"France has been hit twice in 18 months. America has been a target numerous times. We all remember the London bombings. So far we've been lucky not to have the same pain inflicted upon us here in Australia, or at least not on such a large scale (remember Curtis Cheng and the Victorian Police stabbed in Melbourne). It's made me wonder if our penalties for terrorism offences are strong enough to be a sufficient deterrent. It's made me wonder if, perhaps, it's time to resurrect capital punishment for terrorism offences. For example, carrying out a terrorist attack that kills or maims attracts the death sentence. It may just be enough to make would-be terrorists think twice. Thoughts?"

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #58 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm Thanks gwegg appreciate it... but the topic says what.... Is it time to bring back Capital punishment? The opening argument mentions terrorism... NOT WAR It's about the death penalty... not the ME or specifically Muslims.
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Reply #59 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Excuse me... But what do Muslims, the ME and WAR...

have to do with Capital punishment?

The opening post is where this all started, most agree, CP is a waste of time

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

France has been hit twice in 18 months. America has been a target numerous times. We all remember the London bombings. So far we've been lucky not to have the same pain inflicted upon us here in Australia, or at least not on such a large scale (remember Curtis Cheng and the Victorian Police stabbed in Melbourne). It's made me wonder if our penalties for terrorism offences are strong enough to be a sufficient deterrent. It's made me wonder if, perhaps, it's time to resurrect capital punishment for terrorism offences. For example, carrying out a terrorist attack that kills or maims attracts the death sentence. It may just be enough to make would-be terrorists think twice. Thoughts?

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