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Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am
 
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
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Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:36am
 
Wait until they want indefinite detention for their own citizens..... not joking... we are on the way there already...

Oops - sorry - I thought you were talking about refugees...

There have been several disturbing moves in legislation in recent years, starting in the early 1990's with the 'domestic violence' issue, with its automatic finding of guilt and its criminalisation of people on complaint....... at that time I associated that move with the POTA laws (Prevention of Terrorism Act) in Britain, which stipulated that a person's contacts and movement could be circumscribed and limited, even though they had not been convicted of any genuine offence.  Furthermore, a breach of such restrictions lead to a criminal conviction - this is precisely the style of legalised abuse of law set in place here by our respective governments (I will take this opportunity to thank our learned member, Longie, for opening up argument on these issues earlier), to cater to the victim industry surrounding inter-personal relationship complaints.

Another part of such legislation was that a person suspected of an act of terrorism could be held longer than the statutory 24 hours without charge... up to 72 I think it was.

We have also seen that in some cases a government will apply a regulatory extension of detention on a person who has completed sentence for a convicted offence.. such as paedophiles and rapists etc... none of whom garner much in the way of public sympathy.  This is a deliberate undermining by regulation of the rights of the courts - who despite their blatant hypocrisy, wrongful leaning against accused persons, and blithe acceptance of nonsense as evidence, remain our only barrier to an overwhelming dictatorship of government and its arms of law enforcement.

There are similarities here to the 'commission' into domestic violence, which took in masses of anecdotal evidence from remote Aboriginal communities rife with abuse and alcoholism etc, and then extrapolated the findings of that 'study' to the entire community, thus automatically creating of any person alleged to have committed some wrong a person subject to legal intervention, regardless of facts and evidence, and thus creating an environment of 'conviction on accusation'.

The problem with this, even though nobody has sympathy for rapists, abusers and paedophiles etc, is that such actions must always be seen as the thin edge of the wedge in a calculated attack on Civil and Legal Rights here and now... and in reality has been for nearly twenty five years here in Australia.

Now where's Longie to tell me I'm wrong?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
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Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry


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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am
 
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:00am
 
Green Wanker could you explain "Fascist Right"

Is this a feeble attempt to label and denigrate ideas other than your own.

The "Wanky Left" censorship
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 6:01am:
It's a good idea if they still pose a threat.

We can't have terrorists on our streets.


I agree Bobby, although I do have reservations about any Government abusing these new laws to label an individuals as a terrorist even if they have not killed anyone but pose a risk no matter how obscure....If the laws are well targeted and have oversight and review processes I think the Government had a duty to protect society from people who have forfeited their right to live amongst law abiding citizens....We do it for serious offenders already and no offence is more heinous that killing your fellow human beings in the name of a God!!!

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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:51am
 
You're out of date Phil.

Fascism = authoritarianism + intolerance. These characteristics now relate more to the left than the right.
Keep up.
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:59am
 


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444366972/481#481
Quote:

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.   good judgement or taste.


AND;

Dictionary;
discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement.


Some people argue that it is wrong to discriminate.

If that logic is valid, then why don't we [society, collectively] decide to open all of the goals/prisons, and set all of the prisoners inside, free ?



Because, by incarcerating convicted criminals, aren't we [society, collectively] discriminating against their chosen 'lifestyle' ???

And what right, do we have, to do that, to others!!!!

/sarc off






Killing an infidel, is a moslems right,           .....to practice his religious freedom!!!!

What right, do we have, to try stop devout moslems, from killing us, in the name of their religion !!!!

You intolerant racist, bigot!!!!


/sarc off






Watch the words coming out of their own [moslem] mouths.     !!!!!!


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Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."




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Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0




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IMAGE...
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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"





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IMAGE....
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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"


Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.



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AND THIS.....

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4



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Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:05am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:51am:
You're out of date Phil.

Fascism = authoritarianism + intolerance. These characteristics now relate more to the left than the right.
Keep up.


Considering these laws could be used to push authoritarianism and intolerance we should be very wary of allowing any Government to have these powers....If Peter Dutton or Scott Morrison continue down the road of secrecy and silence how do we know what is being done in our name....If it is open and accountable I will support the Government to protect its citizens!!!

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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:11am
 
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
...

Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...


Most states (if not all) already have the power of indefinite detention for sex criminal who are unable or unwilling to control their impulses. I beleive it also applies to violent crims and others. Effectively, the power already exists. This is simply tryig to fomalise what already exists.
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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:12am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:05am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:51am:
You're out of date Phil.

Fascism = authoritarianism + intolerance. These characteristics now relate more to the left than the right.
Keep up.


Considering these laws could be used to push authoritarianism and intolerance we should be very wary of allowing any Government to have these powers....If Peter Dutton or Scott Morrison continue down the road of secrecy and silence how do we know what is being done in our name....If it is open and accountable I will support the Government to protect its citizens!!!

Huh Huh Huh


I agree with you, but keep in mind that we already have such laws and they are subject to judicial oversight in that you cannot indefinitely retain someone without regular review. With that in place I dont have problems with it. But only as long as their is judicial oversight and regular (eg annual) review.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:19am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:26am:
____ wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Government moves towards indefinite detention for some terrorists in push for new anti-terror laws

Australia is taking a step towards indefinite detention for some convicted terrorists, with the Federal Government pushing for legislation in every state so terrorists could be kept in jail after their sentences expire if a court says they would reoffend.
...

Keeping terrorists in jail after their sentence expires raises legal concerns about procedural fairness and double punishment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/government-push-for-new-anti-terror-laws/7...



Typical socialist you can always find a reason to release a filthy criminals out into the streets to carry on as usual; does't matter if they are terrorists, rapists or paedophiles they all get released.

This is why the death penalty is the preferred method of punishment.


But never fear the scumbag lawyers and magistrates will have your terrorist mates back on the streets killing whitey before you can say thanks, ya PoS.  Angry





So the purpose of jailing isn't rehabilitation, it's revenge.
And the slippery slope continues. It's now indefinite detention for rapists also.
What about motor bike club members ... what about aboriginals ... surely they all will reoffend ?



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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:26am
 
Yes, that's right. Blame our government for trying to protect us.
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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:27am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:12am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:05am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:51am:
You're out of date Phil.

Fascism = authoritarianism + intolerance. These characteristics now relate more to the left than the right.
Keep up.


Considering these laws could be used to push authoritarianism and intolerance we should be very wary of allowing any Government to have these powers....If Peter Dutton or Scott Morrison continue down the road of secrecy and silence how do we know what is being done in our name....If it is open and accountable I will support the Government to protect its citizens!!!

Huh Huh Huh


I agree with you, but keep in mind that we already have such laws and they are subject to judicial oversight in that you cannot indefinitely retain someone without regular review. With that in place I dont have problems with it. But only as long as their is judicial oversight and regular (eg annual) review.


The lessons of David Hicks and Dr Haneef have taught us that judicial oversight is not always a safe guard against a Government willing to put politics before justice....As you say as long as their is an open and accountable process the Government must protect its citizens from terrorism!!!

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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:29am
 
This is a bad move. It was made before the obligatory overseas junket fact-finding-mission to Paris, Rome, London, New York, Brussels, and Vienna.

Of course the minister undertaking this most dangerous mission will be accompanied by his or her partner/spouse. Also along for the ride will be the usual retinue; spin doctor, media adviser, secretary, research assisant; and a full pad of travel allowance claim forms.

If the minister is on the ball he or she can coincide the trip to enable him or her to attend the Opéra national de Paris' staging of Eliogabalo at the  Palais Garnier. It would be a shame to overwork any of our alleged politicians.
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