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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #120 - Jul 19^th, 2016 at 10:06pm 12345
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89913 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #121 - Jul 19^th, 2016 at 10:08pm .. only for politicians who lie to get elected and then crawfish on the deal......
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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #122 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 12:19am

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

rhino wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

So did you support the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran Bobby....Lindy Chamberlain would also have been executed if the death penalty was in place....A 19 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl (consensual) would be classed as a paedophile and face the death penalty under your proposition....There are a myriad of circumstances where the State would have the power to execute its citizens which it will use....A society that does not value life will not be a better place to live!!!

Huh

No - the death penalty should only be an option in the worst of the worst cases.

Yet once it is legislated the State decides who to execute not the public....The legal system is not infallible and once a life is ended it cannot be restored!!!

Google John Reginald Halliday Christie the case which played a major role in the country’s decision to end the death penalty in 1965.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/justice-story/notting-hill-horror-house-article-...

Huh

Did they have DNA technology in 1965?

You watch to much CSI....DNA is rarely used to establish guilt especially when the crime scene is not known or the body has deteriorated over time....People are still convicted of crimes they have not committed based on circumstantial evidence!!!

Huh

I dont need to watch CSI, DNA is frequently used to solve cold crime cases. In fact DNA samples are now routinely taken by police forensics at scenes of home burglaries with quite a high success rate of arrest. You should also know that more than a few prisoners in the US who have been on death row for decades are now being exonorated because of DNA evidence itself decades old. anything else you wan to know about this then just ask. I urge you to remember the adage, better to shut your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Really....Do you have any independent analysis to support this claim???

Huh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-...

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 117545 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #123 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:34pm So the vote is 10 to 7 against hanging. well - there are still a few days left.
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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #124 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:09pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/convicted-killer-adrian-bayley-found-guilt...

Jill Meagher killer Adrian Bayley found guilty of three more rapes
By court reporter Peta Carlyon, Loretta Florance and staff

Updated 27 Mar 2015, 1:20am
Adrian Ernest Bayley
Photo: Adrian Bayley is escorted into the Supreme Court in Melbourne in 2013. (ABC TV)
Related Story: Jill Meagher's family calls for closure after Adrian Bayley is found guilty of three more rapes
Map: Melbourne 3000

One of Australia's most notorious predators, murderer and serial rapist Adrian Bayley, has been found guilty of three more brutal rapes of young women in Melbourne in the years before he murdered Jill Meagher.

Bayley, 43, raped and murdered the 29-year-old ABC staffer as she walked home from a night out in Brunswick in Melbourne's north in September 2012, in a crime that shocked the nation.

He is serving a life sentence in prison, with a non-parole period of 35 years, for the rape and murder of Ms Meagher.

Now, it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Bayley raped other women, including a young Dutch tourist in 2012, and two young prostitutes - one of them also in 2012 and the other almost 15 years ago.

Bayley pleaded not guilty in all three rape trials before the County Court, forcing the victims to give evidence and re-live their trauma in a series of trials that began last year and ended on Thursday.

His defence argued that while they did not dispute that the women had been victims of sexual assault, they had mistaken their attacker for Bayley because he had been so prominent in the media.

Broad suppression orders have prevented publication of any details from the three rape trials.

But with the return of the third guilty verdict the suppressions have been lifted.

Adrian Bayley should be hanged in public from a lamp post
right outside the courthouse.

Now have a vote -
it's still 10 to 7 against.

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #125 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

France has been hit twice in 18 months. America has been a target numerous times. We all remember the London bombings. So far we've been lucky not to have the same pain inflicted upon us here in Australia, or at least not on such a large scale (remember Curtis Cheng and the Victorian Police stabbed in Melbourne). It's made me wonder if our penalties for terrorism offences are strong enough to be a sufficient deterrent. It's made me wonder if, perhaps, it's time to resurrect capital punishment for terrorism offences. For example, carrying out a terrorist attack that kills or maims attracts the death sentence. It may just be enough to make would-be terrorists think twice. Thoughts?

Keep wondering because this is the dumbest idea ever to curb terrorism. How is the threat of death "punishment" for someone prepared to die anyway?

You are right that it is the stupidest idea ever. All terrorists are prepared to die hence the death penalty is a worthless deterrent. A better deterrent would be to execute the entire extended family of terrorists. That might at least get some muslims trying to discourage terrorist attacks.

BTW that is not a serious suggestion. But the DP is pointless at the best of times and even moreso with terrorism.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #126 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:51pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 12:19am:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

rhino wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

So did you support the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran Bobby....Lindy Chamberlain would also have been executed if the death penalty was in place....A 19 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl (consensual) would be classed as a paedophile and face the death penalty under your proposition....There are a myriad of circumstances where the State would have the power to execute its citizens which it will use....A society that does not value life will not be a better place to live!!!

Huh

No - the death penalty should only be an option in the worst of the worst cases.

Yet once it is legislated the State decides who to execute not the public....The legal system is not infallible and once a life is ended it cannot be restored!!!

Google John Reginald Halliday Christie the case which played a major role in the country’s decision to end the death penalty in 1965.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/justice-story/notting-hill-horror-house-article-...

Huh

Did they have DNA technology in 1965?

You watch to much CSI....DNA is rarely used to establish guilt especially when the crime scene is not known or the body has deteriorated over time....People are still convicted of crimes they have not committed based on circumstantial evidence!!!

Huh

I dont need to watch CSI, DNA is frequently used to solve cold crime cases. In fact DNA samples are now routinely taken by police forensics at scenes of home burglaries with quite a high success rate of arrest. You should also know that more than a few prisoners in the US who have been on death row for decades are now being exonorated because of DNA evidence itself decades old. anything else you wan to know about this then just ask. I urge you to remember the adage, better to shut your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Really....Do you have any independent analysis to support this claim???

Huh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-...

DNA is not extracted at burglaries. For starters, unlike on TV, DNA costs $1000-$3000 per sample to test and takes up to three weeks to be done. Even at maximum speed it is still 24-36 hours.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #127 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:26pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 12:19am:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

rhino wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

So did you support the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran Bobby....Lindy Chamberlain would also have been executed if the death penalty was in place....A 19 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl (consensual) would be classed as a paedophile and face the death penalty under your proposition....There are a myriad of circumstances where the State would have the power to execute its citizens which it will use....A society that does not value life will not be a better place to live!!!

Huh

No - the death penalty should only be an option in the worst of the worst cases.

Yet once it is legislated the State decides who to execute not the public....The legal system is not infallible and once a life is ended it cannot be restored!!!

Google John Reginald Halliday Christie the case which played a major role in the country’s decision to end the death penalty in 1965.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/justice-story/notting-hill-horror-house-article-...

Huh

Did they have DNA technology in 1965?

You watch to much CSI....DNA is rarely used to establish guilt especially when the crime scene is not known or the body has deteriorated over time....People are still convicted of crimes they have not committed based on circumstantial evidence!!!

Huh

I dont need to watch CSI, DNA is frequently used to solve cold crime cases. In fact DNA samples are now routinely taken by police forensics at scenes of home burglaries with quite a high success rate of arrest. You should also know that more than a few prisoners in the US who have been on death row for decades are now being exonorated because of DNA evidence itself decades old. anything else you wan to know about this then just ask. I urge you to remember the adage, better to shut your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Really....Do you have any independent analysis to support this claim???

Huh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-...

AIC website for those who doubt.
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DNA profiling is now routinely used in criminal investigations in Australia. For example, in sexual assault cases where the offender deposits DNA on the victim’s clothing, a burglary where the offender leaves DNA at the scene or a homicide where the victim’s hair is found on the clothing of a suspect.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #128 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:33pm

Its coming anyway.

Each and every pensioner who cant pay their own way will be systematically killed off.

Cut backs on pensions, medical care, and the pension requiring pensioners to starve , freeze or cook depending on the weather is already happening.
If this does not prove to be adequate, they will find a way to enforce euthanasia.

Ausralian politicians...........Pond scum that has gone off.

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Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment?
Reply #129 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:37pm

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 12:19am:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

rhino wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

So did you support the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran Bobby....Lindy Chamberlain would also have been executed if the death penalty was in place....A 19 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl (consensual) would be classed as a paedophile and face the death penalty under your proposition....There are a myriad of circumstances where the State would have the power to execute its citizens which it will use....A society that does not value life will not be a better place to live!!!

Huh

No - the death penalty should only be an option in the worst of the worst cases.

Yet once it is legislated the State decides who to execute not the public....The legal system is not infallible and once a life is ended it cannot be restored!!!

Google John Reginald Halliday Christie the case which played a major role in the country’s decision to end the death penalty in 1965.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/justice-story/notting-hill-horror-house-article-...

Huh

Did they have DNA technology in 1965?

You watch to much CSI....DNA is rarely used to establish guilt especially when the crime scene is not known or the body has deteriorated over time....People are still convicted of crimes they have not committed based on circumstantial evidence!!!

Huh

I dont need to watch CSI, DNA is frequently used to solve cold crime cases. In fact DNA samples are now routinely taken by police forensics at scenes of home burglaries with quite a high success rate of arrest. You should also know that more than a few prisoners in the US who have been on death row for decades are now being exonorated because of DNA evidence itself decades old. anything else you wan to know about this then just ask. I urge you to remember the adage, better to shut your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Really....Do you have any independent analysis to support this claim???

Huh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-...

AIC website for those who doubt.
Quote:

DNA profiling is now routinely used in criminal investigations in Australia. For example, in sexual assault cases where the offender deposits DNA on the victim’s clothing, a burglary where the offender leaves DNA at the scene or a homicide where the victim’s hair is found on the clothing of a suspect.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

not exactly a detailed statement was it? 'routinely' is not the same as 'all'. it implies that where it is relevant, it is used and nothing more. A domestic burglary rarely rates fingerprints nevermind DNA.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #130 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:41pm i didnt state "all", I stated "routinely" just as the AIC link confirms.
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Reply #131 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:41pm:

i didnt state "all", I stated "routinely" just as the AIC link confirms.

'routinely' is a subjective term that is effectively worthless in this case. eg it could be 'routine' to DNA test burglaries where there were lasrge sums of money or goods taken or where there were injuries. In other words, rarely. It could be routine to take DNA samples in murder cases where there was anything short of absolute proof without it.

'routine', just another word which without context means very little.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Is it time to bring back capital punishment? Reply #132 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:17pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:37pm: A domestic burglary rarely rates fingerprints nevermind DNA. This is also incorrect, at least in some states.
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Reply #133 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:51pm:

For starters, unlike on TV, DNA costs $1000-$3000 per sample to test and takes up to three weeks to be done. Even at maximum speed it is still 24-36 hours.

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Approximately the cost of a paternity test in Australia is somewhere in the range of 250-300 AUD $.

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Express testing means that we deliver your results within only 4 working days.

http://www.homednadirect.com.au/dna-paternity-test/express.html

wow. You got 4 things wrong in one small statement.

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Reply #134 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 8:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 7:41pm:

i didnt state "all", I stated "routinely" just as the AIC link confirms.

'routinely' is a subjective term that is effectively worthless in this case. eg it could be 'routine' to DNA test burglaries where there were lasrge sums of money or goods taken or where there were injuries. In other words, rarely. It could be routine to take DNA samples in murder cases where there was anything short of absolute proof without it.

'routine', just another word which without context means very little.

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routinely
1.
a customary or regular course of procedure.
2.
commonplace tasks, chores, or duties as must be done regularly or at specified intervals; typical or everyday activity:
the routine of an office.
3.
regular, unvarying, habitual, unimaginative, or rote procedure.
4.
an unvarying and constantly repeated formula, as of speech or action; convenient or predictable response:

Im feeling a little sorry for you now.

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Question: Hanging for: murderers, rapists, pedophiles & terrorists?
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Yes 9 (39.1%) No 13 (56.5%) Not sure 1 (4.3%) Total votes: 23 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:34pm »