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Aussie Electric car maker angry over import deal
Jul 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm
 
Found this chestnut the other day. Was going to post it before the election but didn't want to give a leg-up to the dumbarse LNP in any way. This is an oldy but a goody in that it reinforces my disdain for the major parties both the coalition and labor as the national sellout parties.

Basically in 2010 the labor party favoured an imported dinky EV from a foreign car company that sucked Australia dry for as long as it could and then packed its tools and disappeared as soon as the money dried up !!

Labor says they support automotive jobs but only if they are from the likes of rent-a-job foreign corporate crooks making obsolete rubbish that has no future such as Mitsubishi's ill-fated 380 gas guzzler. If you are a local car manufacture you can expect to be hung out to dry by the major parties !!

http://www.smh.com.au/national/electric-car-maker-angry-over-import-deal-2010072...

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AUSTRALIA'S leading electric car manufacturer has blasted the federal government for choosing an imported model to be Australia's first electric trial fleet.

In June, the federal Minister for Transport and Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, announced that the government would be buying 40 imported Mitsubishi i-Miev electric vehicles as a way of encouraging the uptake of electric vehicles.

But Castlemaine-based Blade Electric Vehicles said the decision was inexplicable given that its car, the Blade Electron, was better, cheaper, and had been developed with federal government funding.

''We cannot understand why Mr Albanese has chosen to exclude the Electron,'' said Ross Blade, director of BEV.

''The federal government has spent over $100,000 of taxpayers' money on the development of the Blade Electron through the COMET (Commercialising Emerging Technologies) program. Despite the Electron meeting Australia's design standards, the federal government has chosen instead to lease a foreign product at nearly double the cost.''


Mr Blade said that Mitsubishi was leasing the i-Miev for $1740 a month for a total cost over three years of $62,640. This compared with $900 a month for the Electron, for a total cost over three years of $48,000.

Mr Blade said the Electron was a bigger car with superior performance to the i-Miev and, more importantly, could be plugged into a regular power point for recharging.

However, a spokesman for Mr Albanese, Geoff Sinclair, said the government did not choose the Blade Electron because it was not a mass-produced car and did not meet two Australian design standards, although he could not say which ones.

Mr Blade said that if the Australian government was not going to buy a locally made electric car, it stood little chance of being mass produced.

''In terms of our vehicle being mass produced, the fact of the matter is that if the Australian government is not going to buy them, then how can they be mass produced?

''It's a chicken and egg thing.''

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Re: Aussie Electric car maker angry over import deal
Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:30pm
 
Sounds like they got a flat battery, the Specter of Doom that haunts every electric car driver and why electric cars probably will only be a restricted market to daily commuters who can use their solar panels to recharge the old girl overnite.

Can you just imagine an electric semi trailer hauling 40 tonnes on a road train to Alice Springs ?

He'd have to carry a diesel generator to recharge the battery every 10 kms.
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:51pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:30pm:
Sounds like they got a flat battery, the Specter of Doom that haunts every electric car driver and why electric cars probably will only be a restricted market to daily commuters who can use their solar panels to recharge the old girl overnite.

Can you just imagine an electric semi trailer hauling 40 tonnes on a road train to Alice Springs ?

He'd have to carry a diesel generator to recharge the battery every 10 kms.



And can you just imagine a Toyota Yaris hauling 40 tonnes on a road train to Alice Springs ?

Why your post proves that libbos are brain dead.
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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2016 at 11:17pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm:
Aussie Electric car maker angry over import deal


He should seek help about anger issues then, if he’s still angry.  He stopped putting electric engines in second-hand Hyundais about five years ago.

In any case, haven’t we been here before?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444619122/345

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1465030268/10
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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2016 at 11:25pm
 
Wolseley wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm:
Aussie Electric car maker angry over import deal


He should seek help about anger issues then, if he’s still angry.  He stopped putting electric engines in second-hand Hyundais about five years ago.

In any case, haven’t we been here before?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444619122/345

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1465030268/10


Because the arseholes at Holden wouldn't work with him to supply him a bare chassis even though tax payers had given them billions over the years.

And how far do you think 100K goes to building a car from the ground up ? Little wonder he had to build a car using a second hand chassis. Still he did more for EV's than Holden and Ford put together.
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 7:43am
 
Nailed it,

you are blithely ignoring the elephant in the room - the real actual viability of electric cars in a small market like Australia.

The bugbear of electric cars is the enormous very expensive BATTERY which steadily GOES FLAT and requires about 8 hours to recharge unless one has special high charging gear.

There is always the fear of getting a flat battery in the middle of nowhere. Not much use calling the NRMA for a jump start!!!!

Most city unit parking spaces DO NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL POWER OUTLETS so it is a bit tricky to recharge the old girl overnite.

The grossly technically ignorant Greenies squawk up and say , "Oh I can recharge my electric overnite with my solar panels!!!!".

It would take about 7 Tesla Wall units to recharge a Tesla car overnite.

The 2nd hand market for electrics is very small because the battery in the 2nd hand electric is almost for certain stuffed and so a new battery is required. Not to mention the deterioration in the electric control gear and motors. VERY EXPENSIVE REPAIRS REQUIRED.

The ONLY practical market is the daily city commuter who have charging facilities in their garage ie a power point.

In the heavy haul area electric battery power goes nowhere, as the battery would literally have to be as big as the entire truck.

In mining trucks a diesel motor generates the power and electric motors drive the wheels etc.

Of course the naive dreamers say , "Oh they can export to all over the world!!". Well China would undercut them dramatically.

If the electric car manufacturer managed to get up and going then Bill Shorten's corrupt Commo unions would start their sabotage and extortion and force them to leave Australia just like Holden and Ford.

There is always the risk of fire with lithium batteries which could result from a crash.

So it does not take an Einstein to work out why Holden was not very interested.
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:08am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm:
Basically in 2010 the labor party favoured an imported dinky EV from a foreign car company that sucked Australia dry for as long as it could and then packed its tools and disappeared as soon as the money dried up !!

No more corporate welfare. If companies want money, they can put up some equity. Quid pro quo: if they take the quid, they give the quo.

This would limit the amount of grants a company can get to the value of the company, and if a company decides to pack up and leave the money comes back.
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:38am
 
Bam wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:08am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm:
Basically in 2010 the labor party favoured an imported dinky EV from a foreign car company that sucked Australia dry for as long as it could and then packed its tools and disappeared as soon as the money dried up !!

No more corporate welfare. If companies want money, they can put up some equity. Quid pro quo: if they take the quid, they give the quo.

This would limit the amount of grants a company can get to the value of the company, and if a company decides to pack up and leave the money comes back.


He didn't want corporate welfare. Albagreezy wanted to trial 40 EV's and wouldn't order any from him ! Instead they ordered the lot from a foreign corp that had already received billions in corporate welfare over the years and subsequently closed down its manufacturing operations. Why not order 20 Blade EV and 20 Mitsubishi MiEV ? Nah they wouldn't do that either Sad
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:42am
 
juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 7:43am:
Nailed it,

you are blithely ignoring the elephant in the room - the real actual viability of electric cars in a small market like Australia.

The bugbear of electric cars is the enormous very expensive BATTERY which steadily GOES FLAT and requires about 8 hours to recharge unless one has special high charging gear.

There is always the fear of getting a flat battery in the middle of nowhere. Not much use calling the NRMA for a jump start!!!!

Most city unit parking spaces DO NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL POWER OUTLETS so it is a bit tricky to recharge the old girl overnite.

The grossly technically ignorant Greenies squawk up and say , "Oh I can recharge my electric overnite with my solar panels!!!!".

It would take about 7 Tesla Wall units to recharge a Tesla car overnite.

The 2nd hand market for electrics is very small because the battery in the 2nd hand electric is almost for certain stuffed and so a new battery is required. Not to mention the deterioration in the electric control gear and motors. VERY EXPENSIVE REPAIRS REQUIRED.

The ONLY practical market is the daily city commuter who have charging facilities in their garage ie a power point.

In the heavy haul area electric battery power goes nowhere, as the battery would literally have to be as big as the entire truck.

In mining trucks a diesel motor generates the power and electric motors drive the wheels etc.

Of course the naive dreamers say , "Oh they can export to all over the world!!". Well China would undercut them dramatically.

If the electric car manufacturer managed to get up and going then Bill Shorten's corrupt Commo unions would start their sabotage and extortion and force them to leave Australia just like Holden and Ford.

There is always the risk of fire with lithium batteries which could result from a crash.

So it does not take an Einstein to work out why Holden was not very interested.


The Tesla EV's have more or less proved this to be complete nonsense.




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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:55am
 
Lefty Nail,

you simply don't know what you are talking about.
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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 5:42pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:55am:
Lefty Nail,

you simply don't know what you are talking about.


Tesla takes on million dollar V8 clunker super car and leaves it in the dust. Vrrm Vrrm Vrrm Grin


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