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Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:14am
 
We had one day of selling and then three days of buying, with today set to be a fourth.

Was this another empty threat by the dark forces of tyranny? The sovereign nation deniers?

Not that I don't expect the raging, hate-filled EU mandarins in Brussels to do all they can to remove as much business as they can from the City of London. But there's a reason that there is a financial centre there which predates the EU by at least 100 years and will likely outlive it by 100 years.
But they'll try to hurt it. They've already started.

Like the mafia heads of a protection racket, they will be trying to put the word around: "see what happens when you go against us".
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:18am
 
PS There are hundreds of these mandarins in the EU bureaucracy who are being paid higher salaries than the PM of the UK.
Mafioso is not a stretch of the imagination.
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Reply #2 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:24pm
 
Did Brexit even happen?

AFR:

The tantalising power of low interest rates has boosted global share markets, with the ASX recovering nearly all the losses in the wake of Britain's historic Brexit vote.

The benchmark S&P/ASX 200 Index climbed within three points of last Thursday's, pre-referendum close, before selling in the big banks trimmed gains to 24 points, or 0.5 per cent, to 5257 around midday.

Miners are buoying the sharemarket, with BHP Billiton climbing 3.3 per cent amid swirling rumours that the company may be interested in making another pitch for Canada's Potash Corp.

Rio Tinto has climbed 2.5 per cent and Fortescue 2.4 per cent after iron ore jumped again on Thursday night, by 3.3 per cent to $US55.66 a tonne.
 
Meanwhile, the Australian 10-year bond yield pushed back below 2 per cent on Friday morning, as global rates push lower ahead of widely expected fresh central bank stimulus.

While the initial shock of the Brexit vote plunged financial markets into turmoil, Australian investors and those outside the UK have come to the understanding Britain's leaving the European Union won't have a material global economic impact.
"After that initial knee-jerk reaction, people are now looking at the underlying fundamentals of the decision and have decided the overall impact is modest," said Romano Sala Tenna, portfolio manager at Katana Asset.

British shares surged to their highest for the year overnight, aided by a plunging pound and talk of the Bank of England lowering interest rates.


The BoE is one of the few central banks that has avoided extraordinary monetary policy in recent years, in an environment where central banks are starting to lose their credibility.

Since Brexit, there has been talk the European Central Bank is considering expanding its asset purchasing program, there's been fresh stimulus in Korea, a rate cut in Taiwan and the Bank of Japan has suggested it will continue to ease.

"The promise of another dose of central bank stimulus has given markets a healthy lift, though it is just a short term fix," said Mr Sala Tenna.

"The UK central bank still has a bit of credibility, but central banks around the world are starting to lose their clout somewhat."
 
While Brexit does increase the political risk in Europe, the Spanish elections on Wednesday showed increased enthusiasm for the governing People's Party which is more aligned to a united Europe, suggesting the population prefers stability.

The impending Australia election has had little influence on financial markets in the last eight weeks, however the ASX may receive another boost following the decision.

Data released by AMP Capital shows stocks rose an average 4.8 per cent over the three months after the last 12 federal elections.

"Relief at getting the election out of the way may help," said Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy, at AMP Capital.
 
"But the likely failure of the new government to have control of the Senate, September quarter seasonal weakness in shares and Brexit uncertainty are likely to weigh in the short term."

The price of oil has slipped again, though resource and energy stocks are trading higher on Friday morning. A possible ceasefire in Nigeria signals there may be an increase in supply soon, making it difficult for oil to push past recent highs.
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Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:51pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:14am:
We had one day of selling and then three days of buying, with today set to be a fourth.

Was this another empty threat by the dark forces of tyranny? The sovereign nation deniers?

Not that I don't expect the raging, hate-filled EU mandarins in Brussels to do all they can to remove as much business as they can from the City of London. But there's a reason that there is a financial centre there which predates the EU by at least 100 years and will likely outlive it by 100 years.


There most certainly is, Bogie. London is the unofficial centre of Britain's tax-free archipelago, which includes the Channel and Cayman Islands. Many of those hate-filled European billionaires will be scrambling to get new tax havens as we speak.

As for business, the big industrial manufacturers will most certainly be moving to Europe. Many are joint-ventures with European companies, where all the business is. Most use European parts and products, all of which will now be taxed. Those parts will be taxed going in, and the products will be taxed going out. This is the price you pay for doing business with Europe - if you're not a member of the EU, that is.

We may not see a GFC, but Britain will definitely enter recession. Britain has already lost its AAA credit rating, which makes credit harder - and more expensive - to get. The best Europe can do is quarantine itself off from the effects of this, which is why capital is now exiting the UK.

This is a massive structural downturn for Britain. Jobs will be lost, capital will be more scarce, and tax revenue will drop - not to mention the subsidies Britain receives from the EU. Businesses that were saved by the common market will go under.

This is not catastrophizing, it's happening as we speak. Companies like Daimler have already announced their intention to move to Europe. Economic growth is already in negative figures. The pound is already the lowest it has been since 1985.

Good to see Britain as a "sovereign" nation again, eh?
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Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:23pm
 
If GB has problems, it's because they were a member of the EU. Now that they're out, they can start strengthening their position in the world, which they will do
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Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:23pm:
If GB has problems, it's because they were a member of the EU. Now that they're out, they can start strengthening their position in the world, which they will do


That explains their economic position in the OECD dropping behind France - in the space of one week too.

Britains never never never shall be slaves, no?
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Reply #6 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 5:05pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:30pm:
Britains never never never shall be slaves, no?



That's the whole idea ... slaves to no one, not the EU, not anyone
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Reply #7 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 5:35pm
 
The Millennials (?) are whinging because the VOTE didn't go the way they thought it would?

Then they decide to wear SAFETY PINS to tell all and sundry that they DID NOT VOTE?

So, who are they blaming? Their parents and grandparents?

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Reply #8 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:51pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:14am:
We had one day of selling and then three days of buying, with today set to be a fourth.

Was this another empty threat by the dark forces of tyranny? The sovereign nation deniers?

Not that I don't expect the raging, hate-filled EU mandarins in Brussels to do all they can to remove as much business as they can from the City of London. But there's a reason that there is a financial centre there which predates the EU by at least 100 years and will likely outlive it by 100 years.


There most certainly is, Bogie. London is the unofficial centre of Britain's tax-free archipelago, which includes the Channel and Cayman Islands. Many of those hate-filled European billionaires will be scrambling to get new tax havens as we speak.

As for business, the big industrial manufacturers will most certainly be moving to Europe. Many are joint-ventures with European companies, where all the business is. Most use European parts and products, all of which will now be taxed. Those parts will be taxed going in, and the products will be taxed going out. This is the price you pay for doing business with Europe - if you're not a member of the EU, that is.

We may not see a GFC, but Britain will definitely enter recession. Britain has already lost its AAA credit rating, which makes credit harder - and more expensive - to get. The best Europe can do is quarantine itself off from the effects of this, which is why capital is now exiting the UK.

This is a massive structural downturn for Britain. Jobs will be lost, capital will be more scarce, and tax revenue will drop - not to mention the subsidies Britain receives from the EU. Businesses that were saved by the common market will go under.

This is not catastrophizing, it's happening as we speak. Companies like Daimler have already announced their intention to move to Europe. Economic growth is already in negative figures. The pound is already the lowest it has been since 1985.

Good to see Britain as a "sovereign" nation again, eh?


Britain lost her AAA credit rating in 2013 - but then quickly regained it again.
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Reply #9 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:28pm
 
Cofgod wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:22pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:51pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:14am:
We had one day of selling and then three days of buying, with today set to be a fourth.

Was this another empty threat by the dark forces of tyranny? The sovereign nation deniers?

Not that I don't expect the raging, hate-filled EU mandarins in Brussels to do all they can to remove as much business as they can from the City of London. But there's a reason that there is a financial centre there which predates the EU by at least 100 years and will likely outlive it by 100 years.


There most certainly is, Bogie. London is the unofficial centre of Britain's tax-free archipelago, which includes the Channel and Cayman Islands. Many of those hate-filled European billionaires will be scrambling to get new tax havens as we speak.

As for business, the big industrial manufacturers will most certainly be moving to Europe. Many are joint-ventures with European companies, where all the business is. Most use European parts and products, all of which will now be taxed. Those parts will be taxed going in, and the products will be taxed going out. This is the price you pay for doing business with Europe - if you're not a member of the EU, that is.

We may not see a GFC, but Britain will definitely enter recession. Britain has already lost its AAA credit rating, which makes credit harder - and more expensive - to get. The best Europe can do is quarantine itself off from the effects of this, which is why capital is now exiting the UK.

This is a massive structural downturn for Britain. Jobs will be lost, capital will be more scarce, and tax revenue will drop - not to mention the subsidies Britain receives from the EU. Businesses that were saved by the common market will go under.

This is not catastrophizing, it's happening as we speak. Companies like Daimler have already announced their intention to move to Europe. Economic growth is already in negative figures. The pound is already the lowest it has been since 1985.

Good to see Britain as a "sovereign" nation again, eh?


Britain lost her AAA credit rating in 2013 - but then quickly regained it again.


That’s a relief.
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Reply #10 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:32pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:51pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 8:14am:
We had one day of selling and then three days of buying, with today set to be a fourth.

Was this another empty threat by the dark forces of tyranny? The sovereign nation deniers?

Not that I don't expect the raging, hate-filled EU mandarins in Brussels to do all they can to remove as much business as they can from the City of London. But there's a reason that there is a financial centre there which predates the EU by at least 100 years and will likely outlive it by 100 years.


There most certainly is, Bogie. London is the unofficial centre of Britain's tax-free archipelago, which includes the Channel and Cayman Islands. Many of those hate-filled European billionaires will be scrambling to get new tax havens as we speak.

As for business, the big industrial manufacturers will most certainly be moving to Europe. Many are joint-ventures with European companies, where all the business is. Most use European parts and products, all of which will now be taxed. Those parts will be taxed going in, and the products will be taxed going out. This is the price you pay for doing business with Europe - if you're not a member of the EU, that is.

We may not see a GFC, but Britain will definitely enter recession. Britain has already lost its AAA credit rating, which makes credit harder - and more expensive - to get. The best Europe can do is quarantine itself off from the effects of this, which is why capital is now exiting the UK.

This is a massive structural downturn for Britain. Jobs will be lost, capital will be more scarce, and tax revenue will drop - not to mention the subsidies Britain receives from the EU. Businesses that were saved by the common market will go under.

This is not catastrophizing, it's happening as we speak. Companies like Daimler have already announced their intention to move to Europe. Economic growth is already in negative figures. The pound is already the lowest it has been since 1985.

Good to see Britain as a "sovereign" nation again, eh?


Canada has just successfully negotiated a free trade deal with the EU .

Not that you need a free trade deal to trade. The UK's trade with the US is increasing, yet both have never had a free trade deal with each other. The UK's trade with the EU is decreasing, yet it's increasing with the rest of the world.

As for "subsidies Britain receives from the EU" - this is actually British money that Britain paid into the EU and the EU is just giving Britain some of it back. Britain is a net contributor to the EU budget - the biggest contributor after Germany.
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Reply #11 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:43pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:30pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:23pm:
If GB has problems, it's because they were a member of the EU. Now that they're out, they can start strengthening their position in the world, which they will do


That explains their economic position in the OECD dropping behind France - in the space of one week too.

Britains never never never shall be slaves, no?


If the EU is so beneficial to the economic well-being of its member states then why are most of them economic basket-cases?

Over the last few years, Britain has created more jobs than the other 27 member states combined. That's despite the EU, not because if it.
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