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UK leaving EU
Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm

Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong.

Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this.

What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different.

Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6147 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #1 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:09pm "A victory for ordinary, decent people!" Nigel Farage, just now. The political elites, the Eurocrats, the money manipulators and other parasites are all shitting themselves. Listening to the media they are mostly distraught by the result, already predicting doom and gloom economically.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #2 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm Too soon to tell Gandalf. Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.
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Re: UK leaving EU
Reply #3 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong.

Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this.

What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different.

Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008.

Wow. You really think Cameron will go?

I agree that there will be a watered down Brexit, but this decision will probably take other countries out - especially Denmark, who only joined the EC to trade with Britain.

In the end, Britain's departure will probably only prove symbolic for Britain, but this symbolism will take others out of the EU too.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37925 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #4 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:16pm GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters. Quaint
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Re: UK leaving EU
Reply #5 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:17pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Too soon to tell Gandalf.

Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda.

The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja?

Arbeit macht frei, nein?

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Re: UK leaving EU
Reply #6 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:19pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Well poll results are coming in, and while still early, it looks like a shock win for the leave camp. As usual in Britain, the polls have been horribly wrong.

Where to for the UK from here? Politically, the first order of business will be the resignation of Cameron (whether forced or voluntary). I expect that to happen within days. Also the torries may very well split after this.

What about the economy? Well first Britain has to actually exit first - this is just a referendum to guage "the people's" opinion. But one would assume negotations for an actual exit will follow shortly. And then? UK will have to negotiate new trade deals I guess. I wouldn't be surprised actually if the negotations with the EU that follow will make for such a watered-down "Brexit" - that not a lot will really change. Its likely that things like travel and immigration arrangements won't be a lot different.

Also, pound has already seen its largest drop since 2008.

Wow. You really think Cameron will go?

I agree that there will be a watered down Brexit, but this decision will probably take other countries out - especially Denmark, who only joined the EC to trade with Britain.

In the end, Britain's departure will probably only prove symbolic for Britain, but this symbolism will take others out of the EU too.

Interestingy enough, upon entry, both Britain and Denmark negotiated an exemption agreement with the EU regarding retaining their own currencies.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #7 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:19pm Enid Blyton was a pretty screwed up & nasty.person you know.
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Reply #8 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters.
Quaint

No, Britain will keep its migration treaties. All those Poles and Romanians will stay. The sentiments the exit campaign honed in on will be proved null and void. Those Gypsies aren't going anywhere.

Alas, Aquascoot, Mother won't be returning to the 18th century any time soon.

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Reply #9 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Too soon to tell Gandalf.

Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda.

The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja?

Arbeit macht frei, nein?

You make your little jokes Karnak but see if I'm not right in the end

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Know the enemies of a civil society by their public behaviour, by their fraudulent claim to be liberal-progressive, by their propensity to lie and, above all, by their attachment to authoritarianism.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #10 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:22pm Hate to say I told everyone but this Hicks vote was cast over a week ago....
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #11 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:23pm So far sanity is prevailing
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Reply #12 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:24pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Too soon to tell Gandalf.

Anyway, even if the vote goes Leave, Plan B sees legal manouvres by Brussels to negate the vote.

That's right. Because as we all know, the EU can overrule sovereign laws and legal rulings, popular elections, and now, popular referenda.

The EU will just order Britain to stay in, ja?

Arbeit macht frei, nein?

You make your little jokes Karnak but see if I'm not right in the end

We're all right in the end, Bogie.

Right about what?

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Re: UK leaving EU
Reply #13 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:24pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

GDP will drop but it may mean a return to the an england more aligned with enid blyton and the bronte sisters.
Quaint

No, Britain will keep its migration treaties. All those Poles and Romanians will stay. The sentiments the exit campaign honed in on will be proved null and void. Those Gypsies aren't going anywhere.

Alas, Aquascoot, Mother won't be returning to the 18th century any time soon.

Dammit,
I'll just have to watch endless hours of Downton Abbey and pretend i am visiting the empire

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37925 Gender:	Re: UK leaving EU Reply #14 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:26pm bogarde73 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Enid Blyton was a pretty screwed up & nasty.person you know. my world is shattered. I tried to read dickens but he took 6 pages to describe someone making a cup of tea
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