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Reply #45 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:04pm

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

it IS THEIR MONEY.

It is NOT 'taxpayer's money, it is THEIRS. Does every deposit into your bank account still belong to the depositor? No, of course not.

Do these depositors retain the right to control what you do with those funds? Again, of course not.

No-Start is NO DIFFERENT.

It is NOT a 'hand-out', as the Right seem to believe. It is (grossly-inadequate) compensation for being unable to get a job.

And with job-seekers STILL outnumbering jobs by 8 to 1, your 'easy solution' is simply wishful thinking.

The ratio is closer to 16 to 1 now.

If you're unemployed and either under 25 or over 40, you've got no chance of getting work with many employers.

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Reply #46 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:08pm

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

And you have evidence of this or do you need it to be real, so your argument doesn't not look like a load of sh1t.

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #47 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do.

There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable. Believe it. Sad but true.

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Reply #48 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:10pm

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

The only money I consider my money, is the money I earned.

So when the money I earned and taken from me to give to someone else who did nothing to earn it, is never to be considered as theirs to do with what ever they want.

This is where you fail.

Yes Im a money earning failure; I pay a sh1t load in taxes to keep successful dole bludgers in 'free' money from cradle to grave.

Friggen clown.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card Reply #49 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:11pm This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers.
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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #50 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do.

There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable. Believe it. Sad but true.

Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, overfed, complacent and fundamentally stupid those in 'employment circles' really are.

Maybe we need to get rid of these over-priced leeches and have a first come - first served for a job system..... anyone with adequate qualifications gets first call... and if you already have a full-timer - adios muchachos.... hasta la vista, babes....

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89996 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card Reply #51 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:36pm juliar wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:11pm: This will strike fear into the hearts of the Lefties and Greenies feeding off the Australian taxpayers. You mean the politicians and their fat cat mates?
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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #52 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy. But they aren't competing with true blue Aussie welfare recipients who couldn't be fkked finding a job; so they have that going for them.

that's because they don't mind a couple of weeks work here and a couple of weeks work 2000km away all whilst staying in backpackers hostels. Try doing that with a family, paying rent and other living expenses for them plus your transport, living and accommodation expenses for yourself, long term, and you'd end up worse off than not working at all.

So long as they have an excuse then everything is ok.

if you want to call reality an excuse, go for it.

You can sit and yell from the sidelines if you want, it won't change reality one little bit.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card Reply #53 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:17pm Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm: The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money. its NOT YOUR money... its mine.. and I don't want you pissing it up against a wall like an ungrateful TURD....
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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #54 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:20pm

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs.

what an ignorant more on..

people like you make me sick to my stomach..

go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways...

why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place???

huh???

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #55 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:28pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do.

There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable. Believe it. Sad but true.

utter horse poo...

farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work

you get paid for what you do..

as in..

per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance...

the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid...

if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well..

if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob..

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #56 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs.

what an ignorant more on..

people like you make me sick to my stomach..

go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways...

why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place???

huh???

People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance.

There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country.

Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise.

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #57 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:39pm

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

The point is, we should NOT have ANY right to tell people how to spend THEIR money.

Exactly! It's not as if alcohol abuse is such a widespread problem. So why punish all social security recipients for the perceived sins of a few? If such a card is such a good idea, why not roll out income management for everyone including salary and wage earners and the wealthy? Most alcohol and drug abuse is done by people with jobs.

what an ignorant more on..

people like you make me sick to my stomach..

go live in Kununurra for 12 month and I'm 100% positive that you'll change your stupid ignorant ways...

why on earth do you think that they are doing the trial in Kununurra in the first place???

huh???

People with facts make you sick because they expose your ignorance.

There are about 700,000 unemployed people in this country. The great majority do not have alcohol problems. You have no evidence to the contrary because no such evidence exists. And it is a fact that the majority of people with alcohol problems have jobs simply because there are more of them. There is no evidence to support the proposition that everyone who is unemployed has to be punished for the sins of a few. None whatsoever. Punishing people for crimes they never committed is not the mark of a free country.

Perhaps YOU are the one who should spend some time with unemployed people and you will have your eyes opened. Scientists, engineers, electricians, truck drivers, all manner of occupations and they are all without work simply because there are not enough jobs out there and there haven't been for forty years. There isn't a job fairy, even though some rightards seem to think otherwise.

like a said .. go live in Kununurra for 12 months and you'll understand why they are trailing it there..

if you want to work in Australia you'll find work..

its that simple..

and if ALL OF THESE PEOPLE don't drink alcohol as you say then you wont mind having a grocery card then.. nor will others..

ITS NOT YOUR MONEY..

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #58 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:00pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

Exactly! That is why I tell people to "get a job, any job" even it it is below you, if you are "filling in" doing cleaning or whatever, at least you are proving you are WILLING TO WORK ... and will get a better reception at an interview for what you are qualified to do.

There is a saying in the Employment circles ... if you are unemployed, you are unemployable. Believe it. Sad but true.

utter horse poo...

farmers will employ anyone who is willing to work

you get paid for what you do..

as in..

per Bucket of grapes you pick for instance...

the more buckets you fill, the more you get paid...

if you are a hard worker then you'll get paid well..

if you are an Australian bludging tossa.. you wont get paid much and welfare will seem like a great option as you are a lazy slob..

A little story.
A lady at work who runs a body corporate couldn't find anyone to
fix the roof guttering on some units.

5 different tradespeople turned the job down - & wouldn't even quote.

A 6th one turned up & quoted to fix the whole roof instead & mostly forgot about the guttering.

It seems that many tradespeople people don't want any work.

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Re: Hunger strike over cashless welfare card
Reply #59 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

So - where are the jobs?

Ask backpackers, they seem to lob into Australia and find employment pretty easy.

Employers discriminate heavily against Australian unemployed when hiring, do try to keep up.

And you have evidence of this or do you need it to be real, so your argument doesn't not look like a load of sh1t.

Is this the same bloke(?) who was trying to give everyone English Grammar lessons last week??

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