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Mr Turnbull What About The Weekend Penalty Rates
May 14th, 2016 at 7:35am
 
Coalition voters reject cut in Sunday penalty rates

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    December 27, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald

The Turnbull government will face overwhelming opposition from voters in key Liberal and Nationals seats if it supports the move to cut Sunday penalty rates.   Smiley

With Labor and the union movement working hard to persuade voters that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull favours cutting Sunday pay for retail and hospitality workers, exclusive ReachTEL polling conducted for the left-leaning Australia Institute shows the move will face strong opposition from electors in key Coalition seats.


Polling across the federal electorates of Warringah, held by former prime minister Tony Abbott, Dickson, held by Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, New England, held by the Nationals' deputy Barnaby Joyce, and the NSW seat of Page on December 17 found between 65 per cent and 79 per cent of people in those electorates want Sunday penalty rates in the retail industry either kept the same or increased.


In Warringah, 51.1 per cent of electors want Sunday rates for retail workers to stay the same and 13.7 per cent want them increased.
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And in Dickson 60.1 per cent per cent want Sunday rates for retail workers to stay the same, while 18.7 per cent want them increased.

Mr Abbott and Mr Dutton are prominent members of the Liberal Party's right wing, the source of strong support within the Coalition for reducing weekend penalty rates.

The ReachTEL polling was conducted two weeks after the Productivity Commission's final report on Australia's workplace relations framework was handed to the Turnbull government and just four days before the report was released to the public on Monday.

Voters were asked about Sunday penalty rates in the retail sector specifically. They were not asked about the hospitality sector.

The Productivity Commission's report recommended that the Fair Work Commission reduce Sunday penalty rates for hospitality and retail workers to match lower time-and-a-half rates paid on Saturdays.

Its recommendation did not extend to emergency workers, nurses, or teachers.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash said the idea was something the Fair Work Commission could adopt if it wanted to, but it had nothing to do with the Turnbull government.

"The government has no plans to change penalty rates," Ms Cash said this week.

"Penalty rates are set by the independent Fair Work Commission, just as interest rates are set by another independent body [the Reserve Bank]."

But Labor's employment spokesman Brendan O'Connor has criticised Senator Cash and the Turnbull government for refusing to rule out the recommendation immediately.

"If Malcolm Turnbull and this government does not want to support cutting penalty rates, then they can reject the recommendation of the Productivity Commission today," Mr O'Connor said.

"But the minister has chosen not to do that."

Executive director of the Australia Institute Ben Oquist said the polling showed it was not just Labor voters who were concerned about the cuts to penalty rates.

"It also indicates it would be wise for Malcolm Turnbull to ignore the pleas of those conservative MPs in his ranks, who risk being an electoral liability for the new Prime Minister," Mr Oquist said.

"Public holidays like Christmas and days like Sunday are different to normal workdays and should be treated as such."

The strength of opposition to a reduction in Sunday penalty rates was similar in Mr Joyce's New England, where 55.3 per cent of voters wanted rates to stay the same and 15.4 per cent wanted them increased.

In Page, held by the Nationals' Kevin Hogan, 55.4 per cent of voters wanted rates to stay the same, while 19.2 per cent wanted them increased.

Female voters were more concerned than men about cutting penalty rates.

In Mr Abbott's seat, 68.5 per cent of women wanted rates to stay the same or be increased, compared to 60.9 per cent of men.

In Mr Dutton's seat, 83.7 per cent of women wanted them to stay the same or be increased, compared to 73.7 per cent of men.

There were 743 residents polled in Warringah, 738 in Dickson, 747 in New England, and 762 in Page.
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Re: Mr Turnbull What About The Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #1 - May 14th, 2016 at 8:34am
 
This story is 5 months old and it's about the 5th one on the same subject you started.
I'm tempted to merge them all into one if you carry it on.
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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2016 at 8:50am
 
here you go with your lame threats again.

.. weekend penalty rates are a big deal whether you agree with them or not, and a hot topic during any election campaign

you want to  merge threads, go merge all the thousands of anti Muslim threads out there ... or are you worried FD will laugh at your threats the way I do?
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Reply #3 - May 14th, 2016 at 8:55am
 
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Reply #4 - May 14th, 2016 at 9:25am
 
Libs will aim to influuence "independent" bodies to "suggest" reduction, then reduce the rates.  After the election win.  They won't say they will commit to one during the campaign.  Ofc.
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Reply #5 - May 14th, 2016 at 9:50am
 
Personally as I'm someone who has regularly been paid penalty rates in the past I do think this area should be changed.
These days we have a much different working environment than in the past.
Shops are open longer and less people attend church, and are not worried about working on Sunday's,  reasons Sunday's were singles out for much higher rates.
Not everyone has a weekend on Saturday and Sunday these days some have them during the week, this can actually be advantageous to some people.
So, I think weekend rates should the same for Saturday and Sunday.
Keep higher rates for public holidays.
Pay people an adequate base rate so loading is not such a big issue.
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Reply #6 - May 14th, 2016 at 9:53am
 
With Labor and the union movement working hard to persuade voters that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull favours cutting Sunday pay for retail and hospitality workers, exclusive ReachTEL polling conducted for the left-leaning Australia Institute shows the move will face strong opposition from electors in key Coalition seats.   Smiley
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Reply #7 - May 14th, 2016 at 9:55am
 
church goose? it has nothing to do with church, and everything to do with family ..

when the govt departments are open weekends, when my kids stay home on Tuesday and Wednesday instead of Sat & Sundays, when parliament sits on the weekend, then we can talk about times changing ... until then weekends are still reserved for family
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Reply #8 - May 14th, 2016 at 12:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 9:55am:
church goose? it has nothing to do with church, and everything to do with family ..

when the govt departments are open weekends, when my kids stay home on Tuesday and Wednesday instead of Sat & Sundays, when parliament sits on the weekend, then we can talk about times changing ... until then weekends are still reserved for family

Oh dear you are the goose Johnboy do troll and abuse someone who will appreciate it.
You don't seem to know much about the history of it at all.
Been under a rock too long?
let me try this simple word association for your simple mind...  Sunday, church, day of rest, family...
You are a goose aren't you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - May 14th, 2016 at 2:20pm
 
here goose, for your benefit ...


The Australian Bureau of Statistics most recent data (from November 2012) highlighted the following:

    Overtime payments accounted for 7.84% of average weekly cash earnings across all industries;
    7% of the 9.5 million employees who were single jobholders worked six days a week;
    A remarkable further 4% worked on seven days per week;
    14% usually worked Saturdays;
    8% on Sundays;
    With 29% working on both weekend days;




penalty rates apply because they are unsociable hours to work ... not because of church, not because your priest told you so, not because you had a vision. Very few people work on weekends and they should be appropriately rewarded for doing so.
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Reply #10 - May 15th, 2016 at 11:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 2:20pm:
here goose, for your benefit ...


The Australian Bureau of Statistics most recent data (from November 2012) highlighted the following:

    Overtime payments accounted for 7.84% of average weekly cash earnings across all industries;
    7% of the 9.5 million employees who were single jobholders worked six days a week;
    A remarkable further 4% worked on seven days per week;
    14% usually worked Saturdays;
    8% on Sundays;
    With 29% working on both weekend days;




penalty rates apply because they are unsociable hours to work ... not because of church, not because your priest told you so, not because you had a vision. Very few people work on weekends and they should be appropriately rewarded for doing so.

Gee Johnboy....  thanks for that Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Still failed history... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2016 at 2:28am
 
Grendel wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 9:50am:
Personally as I'm someone who has regularly been paid penalty rates in the past I do think this area should be changed.
These days we have a much different working environment than in the past.
Shops are open longer and less people attend church, and are not worried about working on Sunday's,  reasons Sunday's were singles out for much higher rates.
Not everyone has a weekend on Saturday and Sunday these days some have them during the week, this can actually be advantageous to some people.
So, I think weekend rates should the same for Saturday and Sunday.
Keep higher rates for public holidays.
Pay people an adequate base rate so loading is not such a big issue.


Excellent and sensible post.
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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2016 at 6:53am
 
Greens look to protect penalty rates   Smiley
The Greens claim they are the only party that will protect weekend penalty rates.
Source: AAP
16 May 2016  SBS

The Greens will attempt to steer the second week of the federal election campaign towards workplace relations, claiming they are the only party that will protect weekend penalty rates.

The Fair Work Commission is considering a Productivity Commission recommendation that would reduce Sunday penalty rates to the same level as Saturday.   Sad

It would hit hundreds of thousands of retail and hospitality workers if the commission agrees.   

While Labor is against the change, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has previously said he would accept the decision of the commission.

Greens MP Adam Bandt says such a position is everything that is wrong with Labor.

"They talk tough on protecting weekend rates, but will not do anything to protect weekend rates should they be cut," Mr Bandt told AAP.   Sad

Young people in particular depended on weekend rates to support themselves while studying.

They were already facing unaffordable housing, insecure work and low levels of student assistance, so cutting weekend rates would place them under immense pressure.   

Mr Bandt will announce the Greens' position on penalty rates while campaigning in the inner-Sydney seat of Grayndler - held by Labor's Anthony Albanese - on Monday.
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Its another tick for the Australian Greens.   Smiley
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Reply #14 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
Not really, the ALP have nailed the shortcomings of the proposition.
Anyway we have awards and tribunals to look after wage disputes and claims already.
The Fair Work Commission is looking at this issue right now, surely they are the right people to deal with it, not a political party that could change the rules at any tick of the clock as of ten as they like or after each election.
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