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Re: Science in Islamic countries
Reply #45 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

There is more than enough evidence from people who have asked Muslims.

Yes FD - just like you. Like the evidence of falah confirming that Islam permits spousal rape - by saying the exact opposite. Or the evidence of me saying gays should be killed for flaunting their sexuality mardi gras style - when I said gays shouldn't be killed.

You must be an apostate or a backsliding Muslim.

Where do you see yourself on the orthodox-backsliding-apostate Muslim continuum, 0 being a homosexual jew-sympathising rent-boy apostate and 100 being a fully bearded/burqad, observant, sharia is the only way maniac?

Same question to you Karnal.

Gandalf is mainstream (just like all Muslims). He chooses to believe that his fellow Muslims do not really mean what they say when people ask them about Shariah law.

He is also a reformer who wants to bring Islam back to it's roots and into the modern world, and puts much effort into correcting the misinterpretations of Islam held by non-Muslims.

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Re: Science in Islamic countries
Reply #46 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

There is more than enough evidence from people who have asked Muslims.

Yes FD - just like you. Like the evidence of falah confirming that Islam permits spousal rape - by saying the exact opposite. Or the evidence of me saying gays should be killed for flaunting their sexuality mardi gras style - when I said gays shouldn't be killed.

You must be an apostate or a backsliding Muslim.

Where do you see yourself on the orthodox-backsliding-apostate Muslim continuum, 0 being a homosexual jew-sympathising rent-boy apostate and 100 being a fully bearded/burqad, observant, sharia is the only way maniac?

Same question to you Karnal.

Gandalf is mainstream (just like all Muslims). He chooses to believe that his fellow Muslims do not really mean what they say when people ask them about Shariah law.

He is also a reformer who wants to bring Islam back to it's roots and into the modern world, and puts much effort into correcting the misinterpretations of Islam held by non-Muslims.

I think 'mainstream' Muslims are the worst, most devious. They are the ones who know they are lying as they speak to you. When they say they are 'mainstream'' you know straight away that they are trying to hoodwink you.

I have never ever heard Muslims debating each other and identifying each other as 'mainstream'. They know there is no 'mainsteam'. It's a bromide for the useful idiots outside Islam.

You call out Muslims for any atrocity and they will immediately tell you that 'they do not represent Islam, Islam has no central authority, it's all up to each community', etc, etc.

It's all bollocks. Mainstream is like the 'vast majority' who would not report terrorists to the authorities.

I would make Muslim apostasy a migration requirement to the West. A public renouncing of Islam. There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country.i

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98779	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #47 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm So which ones have you spoken to?
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Reply #48 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

There is more than enough evidence from people who have asked Muslims.

Yes FD - just like you. Like the evidence of falah confirming that Islam permits spousal rape - by saying the exact opposite. Or the evidence of me saying gays should be killed for flaunting their sexuality mardi gras style - when I said gays shouldn't be killed.

You must be an apostate or a backsliding Muslim.

Where do you see yourself on the orthodox-backsliding-apostate Muslim continuum, 0 being a homosexual jew-sympathising rent-boy apostate and 100 being a fully bearded/burqad, observant, sharia is the only way maniac?

Same question to you Karnal.

Gandalf is mainstream (just like all Muslims). He chooses to believe that his fellow Muslims do not really mean what they say when people ask them about Shariah law.

He is also a reformer who wants to bring Islam back to it's roots and into the modern world, and puts much effort into correcting the misinterpretations of Islam held by non-Muslims.

I think 'mainstream' Muslims are the worst, most devious. They are the ones who know they are lying as they speak to you. When they say they are 'mainstream'' you know straight away that they are trying to hoodwink you.

I have never ever heard Muslims debating each other and identifying each other as 'mainstream'. They know there is no 'mainsteam'. It's a bromide for the useful idiots outside Islam.

You call out Muslims for any atrocity and they will immediately tell you that 'they do not represent Islam, Islam has no central authority, it's all up to each community', etc, etc.

It's all bollocks. Mainstream is like the 'vast majority' who would not report terrorists to the authorities.

I would make Muslim apostasy a migration requirement to the West. A public renouncing of Islam. There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country.i

Well said.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52331 Gender:	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #49 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm: So which ones have you spoken to? Ahmed, Mahmood, Mahmud, Mohammed, Mohamed, Ali, Rashid, Rasheed, another Mohammed, another Abdulah, a Yasin, two Omars and a Hamza or two.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144788 Gender:	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #50 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country. What have you brought to our country, Frank?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98779	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #51 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:37pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country. What have you brought to our country, Frank? Love, nothing but love.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144788 Gender:	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #52 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:38pm Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country. What have you brought to our country, Frank? Love, nothing but love. Ah.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52331 Gender:	Re: Science in Islamic countries Reply #53 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country. What have you brought to our country, Frank? Civilisation. Better than sharia, no?
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Re: Science in Islamic countries
Reply #54 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:45pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

There is no improvement, only degradation, that Islamic ideology brings to any Western country.

What have you brought to our country, Frank?

Civilisation.

How did you do that, Frank?

The reason I ask is, I've read many of you posts and I've not seen anything civilised about them.

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Reply #55 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:48pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

So which ones have you spoken to?

Ahmed, Mahmood, Mahmud, Mohammed, Mohamed, Ali, Rashid, Rasheed, another Mohammed, another Abdulah, a Yasin, two Omars and a Hamza or two.

You better be clear that Mohammed and Mohamed were many multiples Grin

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Re: Science in Islamic countries
Reply #56 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:59pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

So which ones have you spoken to?

Ahmed, Mahmood, Mahmud, Mohammed, Mohamed, Ali, Rashid, Rasheed, another Mohammed, another Abdulah, a Yasin, two Omars and a Hamza or two.

You better be clear that Mohammed and Mohamed were many multiples Grin

No, they’re real people Frank has discussed Islamic texts with. That’s what he’s saying here.

Get with the program, Matty/Mattywisk/Valkie.

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Reply #57 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 12:06am

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

So which ones have you spoken to?

Ahmed, Mahmood, Mahmud, Mohammed, Mohamed, Ali, Rashid, Rasheed, another Mohammed, another Abdulah, a Yasin, two Omars and a Hamza or two.

You better be clear that Mohammed and Mohamed were many multiples Grin

No, they’re real people Frank has discussed Islamic texts with. That’s what he’s saying here.

Get with the program, Matty/Mattywisk/Valkie.

Clearly you are one paranoid individual but dear I know they are real people just many of them with that name like I said.

Get with the program paranoid one.

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Reply #58 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:53am

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

He chooses to believe that his fellow Muslims do not really mean what they say when people ask them about Shariah law.

This is not true. I've explained it to you before, but yet you still repeat it.

Much like the one about gandalf thinking that all criticism of Islam is racism - a complete invention on FD's part.

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Re: Science in Islamic countries
Reply #59 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:58am

Here are some of the excuses Gnadalf offered for why surveys of Muslims opinions do not actually reflect Muslims opinions.

Malaysian Muslims only indicated support for these barbaric laws because they were presented in an abstract sense. They would have a different view if they were actually voting on the issue.

Although the majority of Malaysian Muslims support the punishments, it would never become law because they are not motivated to achieve that.

There is no serious debate on the issue in Malaysia.

The laws have never come to pass because Malaysian Muslims do not actually support them (although just over 50% of Malaysian Muslims support these laws according to the survey, they make up less than 1/3 of the total population).

If they truly supported these laws, they would have achieved them by now.

If there ever was a serious attempt to introduce these laws, the public debate would expose Muslims to the true barbarity of them and they would change their mind.

Non-Muslim Malaysians support the "right" of Muslims to apply these laws to "themselves" (even in the context of executing apostates). One cannot assume that they oppose them without evidence. This argument was made to support the case that it is lack of motivation or lack of actual support among the 1/3 of the population who support the laws (according to the survey) that is the real reason that Malaysia does not have these laws.

An explanation is needed for why Malaysia has not already passed these laws (other than the fact that Malaysia is a democracy in which 2/3 of the population oppose the laws).

Malaysia only has a "handful" of rehabilitation camps for apostates, and the laws are easy to get around.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389655854/8#8

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Faith_Ratchet#Malaysia

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