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Reply #60 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:24am
 
Wow FD, thats a pretty long-winded way to deflect from the fact that I never said that "Muslims do not really mean what they say"
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #61 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:17pm
 
It’s also the most out of touch analysis of Malaysian politics today, which is focussed almost solely on high end corruption and, as always, economic development.
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Reply #62 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
...interspersed with efforts to reintroduce the death penalty for blasphemy. How do you think that would be going without the constitution they inherited from the British?

Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?
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Reply #63 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
...interspersed with efforts to reintroduce the death penalty for blasphemy. How do you think that would be going without the constitution they inherited from the British?


Are you referring to Malaysia, FD, or the colony of Malaya?

I’m curious.
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Reply #64 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?


This is FD yet again demanding I repeat an entire 20+ page discussion, rather than understand what I actually said the first time.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #65 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?


This is FD yet again demanding I repeat an entire 20+ page discussion, rather than understand what I actually said the first time.


Yes, G, but shurely you support these Malayan.calls for beheading apostates. That’s what FD’s getting at here.

Remember, you have to say yes because you’re a Moslem.
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Reply #66 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
True
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Reply #67 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?


This is FD yet again demanding I repeat an entire 20+ page discussion, rather than understand what I actually said the first time.


It was only 20 pages because of your efforts at evasion. I'll make it very simple for you to deny your apologist stance on this:

Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?
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Reply #68 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Yes. And of course you would have known that if you were paying attention to the original discussion.
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Reply #69 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?


This is FD yet again demanding I repeat an entire 20+ page discussion, rather than understand what I actually said the first time.


It was only 20 pages because of your efforts at evasion. I'll make it very simple for you to deny your apologist stance on this:

Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Did somebody say evasion?
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Reply #70 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Yes. And of course you would have known that if you were paying attention to the original discussion.


Would they change their mind if actually given a genuine chance to achieve this?
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Reply #71 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 4:45pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Gandalf, how else would you describe your spineless apologetics for Malaysian Islamic fundamentalism? Just a bit of a misunderstanding? A nasty trick by the ever-conservative Pew society?


This is FD yet again demanding I repeat an entire 20+ page discussion, rather than understand what I actually said the first time.


It was only 20 pages because of your efforts at evasion. I'll make it very simple for you to deny your apologist stance on this:

Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Did somebody say evasion?


A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #72 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:31pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Yes. And of course you would have known that if you were paying attention to the original discussion.

Gandalf, where do you see yourself on the orthodox-backsliding-apostate Muslim continuum, 0 being a raging homosexual jew-sympathising rent-boy apostate and 100 being a fully bearded/burqad, observant, sharia is the only way orthodox?
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Reply #73 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 3:05pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 2:13pm:
Do all those Malaysian Muslims who say they support the death penalty for apostasy really mean what they say?


Yes. And of course you would have known that if you were paying attention to the original discussion.


Would they change their mind if actually given a genuine chance to achieve this?


In my opinion, answering 'yes' or 'no' on a hypothetical, inconsequential survey is vastly different to actually voting to implement the law - so its very likely they would change their mind.

And yet in both instances they would "mean what they say" - thats the bit you don't seem to get.
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Reply #74 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:23pm
 
"answering 'yes' or 'no' on a hypothetical, inconsequential survey is vastly different to actually voting to implement the law - so its very likely they would change their mind."

That's Gold  Grin Grin Grin

Why on earth would they change their mind they have no reason to lie in the first place Grin.

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