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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #421 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

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Things like memorizing the Koran actually raise IQ levels. IQ measures abstract reasoning, of which written language is a key component. Memorizing written text does not just improve memory, it makes you think with your left brain, which is what IQ measures.

Highly doubtful, Australian Aboriginals do not have a written language and relate thier entire histories from memory, yet culturally unbiased tests indicate they have amongst the lowest IQs of any racial group. Also IQ tests do not measure "left brain thinking" thats nonsense.

Abstract reasoning is left brain, Ian. The left brain processes maths and language. The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

And yes, low Aboriginal IQ levels might show that historically non-literate cultures have a tendency towards low IQ. But if you pay any attention to the psychologists who administer these sorts of tests, intergenerational poverty and trauma are the key causes of low levels of abstract reasoning.

And? you stated IQ tests measure only left brain ability, they dont.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #422 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:39pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Well we know IQ tests already are flawed towards the literate. Maybe illiteracy might be the case?

IQ tests measure the literate. The IQ test was designed in the early 20th century to test for intellectual disability. "Mor-ons, idiots, subnormals", etc.

The IQ test has subsequently been adapted to test the "normal". Psychologists now use WISC and Weschler to test cognitive/intellectual functioning.

You can't properly assess illiterate people using IQ tests. Theoretically, this doesn't mean the illiterate would have low IQs, but this is highly likely based on the focus of the test.

IQs change over time. As we've become more of a knowledge-based information society, IQ scores have risen accordingly. Our grandparents had far lower IQs. Agrarian cultures have lower IQs. This is because they don't use abstract reasoning as much as those in the cities.

The same applies to countries. Developing countries have no way of testing their citizens on mass, but depending on their economies, they would have lower IQs as a matter of course. Service economies have higher IQ levels because they perform more abstract reasoning. They have better schools, better internet coverage, better information systems.

When an economy develops, IQ develops accordingly, but the gulf states are an interesting enigma. Oman has the highest GDP per capita in the world, but it still has low national IQ estimates based on the data from Wikipedia.

The Gulf states have developed using foreign planning and foreign labour. The capital, however, is still in Arab hands. Saudi finance kept the rest of the world afloat through the 1970s and 80s. It's responsible for much of the development of South East Asia and Latin America.

This fact alone calls Templer's thesis to question. Templer's work - starting with African American poverty and IQ - can't be applied to the rich Gulf states. The wealth of the Gulf states alone blows out Templer's thesis that skin pigmentation is the biggest predictor of IQ levels.

I agree with you on all of this. Do you think preference towards reading one particular book plays a part in countries like Oman from being represented in the publishing of scientific papers or lodgement of patents?

What makes you think people in Arab countries read only one book, Gordy? Do you really think every Arab is a devout, fundamentalist Muslim?

The Gulf states pipe oil out of the ground. Like Australia, they're resource economies. To my knowledge, they don't invest much in scientific research. Their populations are small. They import everything from Europe and the US. They even import their labour. The very existence of these countries comes down to oil. They were created by Britain and the US for that very purpose.

And sorry, Qatar has the highest GDP per capita, not Oman.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #423 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

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Things like memorizing the Koran actually raise IQ levels. IQ measures abstract reasoning, of which written language is a key component. Memorizing written text does not just improve memory, it makes you think with your left brain, which is what IQ measures.

Highly doubtful, Australian Aboriginals do not have a written language and relate thier entire histories from memory, yet culturally unbiased tests indicate they have amongst the lowest IQs of any racial group. Also IQ tests do not measure "left brain thinking" thats nonsense.

Abstract reasoning is left brain, Ian. The left brain processes maths and language. The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

And yes, low Aboriginal IQ levels might show that historically non-literate cultures have a tendency towards low IQ. But if you pay any attention to the psychologists who administer these sorts of tests, intergenerational poverty and trauma are the key causes of low levels of abstract reasoning.

No their not. I think its great a muslim is lecturing us on IQ. In fact I think its bloody hilarious Grin

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #424 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:48pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Well we know IQ tests already are flawed towards the literate. Maybe illiteracy might be the case?

IQ tests measure the literate. The IQ test was designed in the early 20th century to test for intellectual disability. "Mor-ons, idiots, subnormals", etc.

The IQ test has subsequently been adapted to test the "normal". Psychologists now use WISC and Weschler to test cognitive/intellectual functioning.

You can't properly assess illiterate people using IQ tests. Theoretically, this doesn't mean the illiterate would have low IQs, but this is highly likely based on the focus of the test.

IQs change over time. As we've become more of a knowledge-based information society, IQ scores have risen accordingly. Our grandparents had far lower IQs. Agrarian cultures have lower IQs. This is because they don't use abstract reasoning as much as those in the cities.

The same applies to countries. Developing countries have no way of testing their citizens on mass, but depending on their economies, they would have lower IQs as a matter of course. Service economies have higher IQ levels because they perform more abstract reasoning. They have better schools, better internet coverage, better information systems.

When an economy develops, IQ develops accordingly, but the gulf states are an interesting enigma. Oman has the highest GDP per capita in the world, but it still has low national IQ estimates based on the data from Wikipedia.

The Gulf states have developed using foreign planning and foreign labour. The capital, however, is still in Arab hands. Saudi finance kept the rest of the world afloat through the 1970s and 80s. It's responsible for much of the development of South East Asia and Latin America.

This fact alone calls Templer's thesis to question. Templer's work - starting with African American poverty and IQ - can't be applied to the rich Gulf states. The wealth of the Gulf states alone blows out Templer's thesis that skin pigmentation is the biggest predictor of IQ levels.

I agree with you on all of this. Do you think preference towards reading one particular book plays a part in countries like Oman from being represented in the publishing of scientific papers or lodgement of patents?

What makes you think people in Arab countries read only one book, Gordy? Do you really think every Arab is a devout, fundamentalist Muslim?

The Gulf states pipe oil out of the ground. Like Australia, they're resource economies. To my knowledge, they don't invest much in scientific research. Their populations are small. They import everything from Europe and the US. They even import their labour. The very existence of these countries comes down to oil. They were created by Britain and the US for that very purpose.

And sorry, Qatar has the highest GDP per capita, not Oman.

Yeah I was going to pick you up on the Qatar thing but I'm not a nit picker Cheesy

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So lets forget IQ, what they read, how devout they are. What are your thoughts on such dismal numbers in relation to publishing of scientific papers and lodgement of patents?

That surely is a good measure of human endeavour?

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #425 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

Sir James wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

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Things like memorizing the Koran actually raise IQ levels. IQ measures abstract reasoning, of which written language is a key component. Memorizing written text does not just improve memory, it makes you think with your left brain, which is what IQ measures.

Highly doubtful, Australian Aboriginals do not have a written language and relate thier entire histories from memory, yet culturally unbiased tests indicate they have amongst the lowest IQs of any racial group. Also IQ tests do not measure "left brain thinking" thats nonsense.

Abstract reasoning is left brain, Ian. The left brain processes maths and language. The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

And yes, low Aboriginal IQ levels might show that historically non-literate cultures have a tendency towards low IQ. But if you pay any attention to the psychologists who administer these sorts of tests, intergenerational poverty and trauma are the key causes of low levels of abstract reasoning.

No their not. I think its great a muslim is lecturing us on IQ. In fact I think its bloody hilarious .

Hilarious, indeed.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #426 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:05pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

Oh i missed this. im surprsed gweggawy didnt pick this up. Can you see anything wrong with this sentence of Karnals gweggay? Try hard, anyone? What about you Karnal? See anything wrong there? With your massive intellect and all.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #427 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Whats their R and D budget like?

The Gulf states were developed almost solely by Uncle and Mother. Back in the 1970s, Saudi Arabia still had dirt roads and goats in the street.

This all changed with the Oil Shocks. To bring the Saudis on board, the US went in to pitch development. They lured the sheiks into massive development contracts. The aim was to get the Saudis into debt and make them totally dependent on the US.

It worked. The US brought the Saudis into the fold. This made Uncle the silent boss of the Arabian Gulf, and charged with the security of the region. Saudi wealth spread throughout the Gulf. Saudis like the bin Ladens became big property developers. The Gulf got shopping malls, car parks, condominiums, beach resorts and golf courses.

But they didn't get scientific or industry investment. The Gulf has two sources of wealth: oil and property development. You could say it's a "two-tiered" economy, not unlike Australia.

This makes the Gulf subject to two risks: property bubbles and drops in the price of oil. Both of these have recently occurred, and Arab wealth is now at risk. This is being felt throughout the region. The Arab Spring (and its decline) is part of this. There has been a big political reaction in Egypt to the influence of Gulf states. The Saudis have gone further afield, influencing politics in places like Yemen.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97682	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #428 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:06pm Kill them.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #429 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:07pm Karnal displaying his intellect again.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #430 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:30pm

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

Oh i missed this. im surprised gweggawy didnt pick this up. Can you see anything wrong with this sentence of Karnals gweggay? Try hard, anyone? What about you Karnal? See anything wrong there? With your massive intellect and all.

Anyone? looks like Karnal has run away.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #431 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

Oh i missed this. im surprised gweggawy didnt pick this up. Can you see anything wrong with this sentence of Karnals gweggay? Try hard, anyone? What about you Karnal? See anything wrong there? With your massive intellect and all.

Anyone? looks like Karnal has run away.

I will always be with thee.

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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #432 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:39pm ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:07pm: Karnal displaying his intellect again. Yep. Not much you can do but encourage maturity.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #433 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:42pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The right brain processes memory and special awareness.

Oh i missed this. im surprised gweggawy didnt pick this up. Can you see anything wrong with this sentence of Karnals gweggay? Try hard, anyone? What about you Karnal? See anything wrong there? With your massive intellect and all.

Anyone? looks like Karnal has run away.

I will always be with thee.

So, do you see your simple error in that sentence yet? Go on, have a google.

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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #434 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm: Hilarious, indeed. You're in no position to comment given your intellectual input displayed on ozpol .
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