Looks like the Libs are getting it right then.

Everyone knows there is only one way to deal with Islam. The problem is that many people don't want to admit it, because they are clinging to the old humanist idea that all cultures have the same values.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 6:22am:

tickleandrose - terrorism comes from the Koran.

Peace be upon you tickle.

The trouble is multiculturalism needs to be a two way street and it isn't.
The western civilisation which has evolved out of the Judao-Christian ethic has attempted to put in place a diversity tolerance which just doesn't have any relevance for the cultures which emerged out of Islam,
Sure they will use it, live under it, but it will never be part of their guiding philosophy. It will be reciprocated only until they have sufficient influence - and that may be much much less than a majority - to demand that Islam prevail & Islamic values be implemented into law.

The west is very slow to realise this. Propagandists refer us back to Spain under Islam and the Greek/Balkan world under the Ottoman Empire and try to claim these were periods of harmony.
They were not. There was only harmony for non-muslims if they paid special taxes and if they hid their religion.

You are forgiven your ignorance tickle. Decades of misguided infantile progressivism have done a job on you.

Gulag 'em all, process the lot.... only release those who are guaranteed 'rehabilitated'...

Governments in the West are running sh!t scared of appearing to be 'Fascists' by seeking the protection of their own people from those who have no wish to be a genuine and contributing part of those people.

Just a side question... is there anyone who actually imagines that these heroic jihadists would even attempt some of the crimes they commit - if they knew that every Belgian who went to a football game carried an AK for self-defence?

These assetholes think we are soft because we are civilised....  they need to see the full weight of the Law and of just retribution to learn the truth.... which is that in a real-scale war they would be dust in a day.....

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:53am:


Let me remind you that although Christianity had been very important in history of Western Civilization, it was really used by the ruling class to control the masses.   If you look at just the history of England, e.g the times of Henry VIII.  All the blood shed, the talks of Protestant,  Vs Catholicism, all really boil down to political power struggle between the ruling elite. 

I believe, our modern, free democratic society did not rise out of Christianity or religion, but rather through advancement of society and human altruism.   

It started with the industrial revolution - prior to that over 90% of the population were serfs, farmers.   With the change, bought about by advancement of science and technology, the society have to branch out, new jobs were created that required more skills.   More skill meant people that were previously deprived of education, will have to get one in order for the country to remain competitive.  Living standards began to rise.   And with this, ushered an era of middle class.   Its in these environment, where human Altruism can take root, and give rise to equality - first to the under class, then women, and then the minority and the disabled.   

If you look at movements like Woman's suffrage - religion have very little to do with it, and in fact in certain circumstances work against it.

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:12am:



An interesting perspecive but possibly wrong.
society can advance , as you say, but go backwards in terms of higher consciousness.

Facebook, Mcdonalds, Junk TV, porn...these are the things many people latch onto in our advancing society, but i would doubt they are leading us to "human altruism and higher consciousness"

What will?

religions, believe it or not, DO contain the nugget of truth that can lead people to a higher conscious state and mindful living.

All religions point towards "spiritual enlightenment"

But it is a "truth which cannot be communicated" and this is where religions fail.

they try to teach these higher ideals and try to get people to attain this state IN THOUGHT.

Thought =  ego.
Ego  =  lower consciousness.

Religions therefore, by not recognising this lead to bigger egos as people adopt the "i'm right and youre wrong  narrative"   and this is where all the problems come from.

Spiritual enlightenment can only be experienced .
It cannot be taught.

If you try to teach it, it is just another story to be attached to which strengthens the ego , strengthens the  "you" as seperate and you get nowhere.

Religion as a belief system...just stories
Science as a belief system...just stories
Intellectualism as a belief system...just stories.

meditate, empty the mind of thought, deny the self (jesus taught this best) and the truth will arise.

But each person has to go on this journey by themselves.

facebook , the internet, science, the bible, the koran, a guru, cant give it to you.

re Aquascoot

Well, certainly, I think religion have a very important role to play in human society.   Not everything about religion is evil or irrelevant.   But I would like to argue that just because someone is of certain religious persuasion, it does not make a person right/wrong, evil/good, and certainly not us/them. 

I believe that all the world conflicts past, present and future, all evils are actually carried out by humanity.  And that religion had been used again and again as tools, to involve otherwise innocent and uninvolved people into a conflict between the elite few. 

Quote:


This is a very interesting point.  But, Aqua, what is higher conscious state?   Do we really need religion to achieve a meaningful or mindful living?   I believe, so called enlightenment, or higher conscious state, are mixture of chemical reactions and neural synapses in our brain, determined part by genetics, and also environmental influences.   People are neither good/bad (and this definition of good or bad are fluid and ever changing), they conform to the society's law out of basic need for survival.   

And then there is altruism.  Most people do good things (e.g. helping the poor, sick, weak) because it fundamentally makes them feel better.  And they would do the same, even if they do not go to the church.   Like wise on the topic of terrorism.   Even if Islam does not exist today, the same people given the same condition will still perpetrate the same acts of terrorism using different control methods.

European security services knew that IS recruiters & hardened fighters were coming in with the hordes but they were pretty much silenced from issuing warnings, just as they have been silenced over the sex attacks
It's an insidious process. The media is pressured into silence by the left wing traitors, the govts are pressured into silence by the left wing media and the police & security are pressured to keep stumm by the govts.

And all the while the evil that is Islam festers away, spreads through the European corpus and nobody has the courage to take the necessary & decisive action.

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 1:53pm:


And guess what? What you say is what Donald Trump wants to do.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 2:06pm:



except that anyone who give give Trump access to the key to the nukes would have to be crazier than he is.

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 2:25pm:


Take the shades off John. There's a whole world of reality out there.

"sure, but no matter what shade of * Lefty Globalist * reality you choose to look through, Trump is still a nutcase."

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 2:25pm:


And considering the fact that no such person exists, that's exactly why Drumpf will never be POTUS.

What do you mean nobody mentioned it?
The whole point of the thread was discussing the cause of it. I thought it was understood.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:


muslims did it.

Ban islam.

Recoup all the costs from the mosques in Brussels.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 6:22am:


Aren't they freedom fighters like in Chechnya and Kosovo?.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 4:00pm:



Herb gets about as deep as the pigment on their skin 

aquascoot wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 4:00pm:





Sure sign of a mental illness.

Marla wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 3:26am:



Like i said, i sort of have an admiration for the islamic terrorists because they have a plan, they show commitment to the plan, they dont give up, ...(but yes , their plan is evil).

Its hard to have admiration for the likes of you.
Your life seems directionless, you are never at the 'cause' ,you are always at the "effect". you never think of anything original to say, you are only capable of commenting on other peoples original thought.
You never build anything, you only seek to tear down.

In a way , many of the looney left are like the islamic terrorists in their ambitions but just too lazy, cowardly and directionless to take action.

maybe thats why you and greg identify with them.
they are out there in the world taking the action you would like to if you both got off your lazy bums 

My thumbs are too big

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 7:26am:




K-selected Art Vs r-selected Art – Terrorism


When 9/11 went down you saw examples of K-selected art highlighted by the media:



It said ominously, “Nice shot – Now it’s our turn.” Inherent to it was a sense of independent self-reliance, and imminent vengeance. We didn’t need sympathy, we didn’t give a bugger what other people thought about us, we just wanted to get it on with the scumbags who attacked our nation.

There is a strong, violent, K-selected strain that runs strongly enough through American culture that back then it frightened the American liberal media enough to make them cater to it’s desires with art like that.






Today the liberal cartoonists in Europe are a little bit different





Belgium was attacked, so the liberal European artsy types, represented by doughy blob-like flags, want some sympathy, some heart-shaped floating love bubbles, and a good group-cry-hug, because of what those evil meanies did. Inherent to the theme is a sense of helplessness, a desire to avoid the problem, a desire to acquire the emotional approval of others, and wholly absent is any sense of imminent violent and brutal retribution. I am actually disgusted, in a deep, visceral way, as I look at that pathetic image.

These are two very different psychologies, and as time goes on all of our populations are splitting ever more widely, to the point we not only no longer understand each other – we cannot tolerate each other. Doubtless there are Europeans who cringed at these pictures as strongly as any K-strategist, and there were liberals in America on 9/11 who would have preferred some variant of the two crying flags. We all hate each other, and there is no reasoning through it.


http://anonymousconservativ.ipage.com/blog/

Bye bye Belgium it was nice knowing you 





Since 2009, Mohamed is the most popular given name in Brussels and Antwerp, Belgium's two largest cities


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:26am:



Dear O dear O dear ... and Christ wept.

" Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

The numbers are startling. Only 3.2 per cent of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4 per cent. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015. In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. The altered population mix has far-reaching implications for education, housing, welfare, labour, the arts and everything in between. It could have a critical impact on foreign policy: a study was submitted to the US Air Force on how America's relationship with Europe might evolve. Yet EU officials admit that these issues are not receiving the attention they deserve.


Brussels has a large concentration of Muslims, mostly of Turkish and Moroccan ancestry. Belgium does not collect statistics by ethnic background, so exact figures are unknown. It was estimated that in 2005 people of Muslim background account for 25.5% of Brussels' population


15 and a half years ago ... 25% of the Brussels population.

All their own work.

Idíots of the highest order.

Been on a mission to Self-Destruct for yonkers now.

Sweden too.

And France and Germany.

"If you're a Muslim or a Black - Please migrate here to help us perform a Jonestown-type Self-Genocide within a few decades. We will have Welfare support waiting for you if work is not your cup of tea. Thank You - and Have a Nice Day".

capitosinora wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:55am:


It's all Halal Certificated chocolate nowadays - with part of the money going to fund 'Islamic causes' (nice smoke-screen there).

John Smith wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:03am:


How would you like to see Muslim Activists such as ISIS rampaging through Italy while smashing the Michelangelo statues, the Sistine Chapel ceiling, the Roman viaducts and coliseum, the Art Galleries, the famous buildings, etc etc?

Are you quite sure you're playing apologist for the right people, John?

Belgium does not collect statistics by ethnic background, so exact figures are unknown

Why does that not surprise me.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:12am:



certainly sounds like it for some on here ... from morning till night, almost every post for some is about the muslims.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:07am:


Actually, you're playing the apologist, Herbie.

You go out of your way to make excuses for these terrorists/murderers/thugs.

You want to shift the blame as far away from the individuals as possible.

Your trolling is only exceeded by your hypocrisy.

Geert Wilders:

Dutch Party For Freedom (PVV) leader and prominent counter-Islamist campaigner Geert Wilders has spoken exclusively to Breitbart London in the aftermath of this morning’s major terror attack and has lamented it is just the beginning of growing Islamist violence.

Mr. Wilders said: “I fear that we ain’t seen nothing yet. According to Europol 3,000 to 5,000 European jihadists, who went to Syria to fight in the ranks of IS and similar terrorist groups, have meanwhile returned to Western Europe. Some of them hid among the hundreds of thousands of Islamic asylum seekers that entered Europe from Asia and Africa.

“Two of last November’s terrorist in Paris had fought in Syria. So had the terrorist who, last August, attempted to attack the high speed train between Amsterdam and Paris. So had the two terrorists who, in January 2015, massacred the editorial staff of Charlie Hebdo. So had the terrorist who, in May 2014, shot four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels”.

Belgian police have recently said at least 90 returned fighters from the Islamic State are living at liberty in Brussels, many of them in the infamous Molenbeek neighbourhood. European Commission insider Hermann Kelly told Breitbart Radio this morning he was concerned so many lived just miles from the political capital of the European Union.

Mr. Kelly said: “This is amazing to me that these people can kill people abroad, come here, and then walk free in the centre of Brussels”. On this, Mr. Wilders remarked: “Returned Syria fighters are a huge threat. They are dangerous predators roaming our streets. It is absolutely unbelievable that our governments allow them to return. And it is incredible that, once returned, they are not imprisoned.

“In the Netherlands, we have dozens of these returned jihadists. Our government allows most of them to freely walk our streets and refuses to lock them up. I demand that they be detained at once. Every government in the West, which refuses to do so, is a moral accessory if one of these monsters commits an atrocity.

“The government must also close our national borders. The European Union’s Schengen zone, where no border controls are allowed, is a catastrophe. The Belgian Moroccan Salah Abdeslam, the mastermind of last November’s bloodbath in Paris, travelled freely from Belgium to the Netherlands on multiple occasions last year.

“This is intolerable. Open borders are a huge safety risk. Our citizens are in mortal danger if we do not restore control over our own national borders”.

Speaking earlier today Mr. Wilders lamented that commuters were killed in “cold blood” and said “The cause of all this bloodshed is Islam. We need to de-Islamize the West. That is the only way to safeguard our lives and protect our freedom”.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

I think its wonderful that some live in such a world they believe this will never come here...


it will because it has too......we are lucky we are so vigilant and capture those before they blow anything up... but because of complacency and should shortarse get back in.. most of our security could  stop....

even cancelling passports was a monumental ask for shortarse..and Co.,..

and look at Brussels... they didnt cancel passports so now they are reaping their rewards...

Belgium has the highest number of locals fleeing  to Syria to join ISIS..

and they let them come back........


makes sense to some.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:43am:


Thank you Bogarde

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 6:51am:


Murder, rape, and terrorism on a large scale is not a plan but rather a societal sickness. Your logic (such as it is) makes zero sense.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 6:51am:

I don't give one solid poo about your admiration. No one does.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 6:51am:


Yes, nothing gives so much direction in life than spewing plagiarized Tony Robbins word salad with the grammar skills of a 4 year-old. Your posting reads like a dyslexic text book.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 6:51am:



Lazy? I work an average of 10 hours a day. What is it you do again? Oh right, molest horses. You're nothing more than a sad toolsack who blindly supports imperialist wars in the Middle East and the only political lessons you can draw are those from Tony Robbins.

Nice.

Aqua got owned my Marla.

Now we'll have to put up with his reply, which will undoubtedly be full of bullshit about 'alpha males', 'group think', 'low consciousness', and other feel good, airy-fairy nonsense that he cuts & pastes from Tony Robbins books.

Let the boredom begin ...

John Smith wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 9:50am:


Start up some other topics and I'll come and make a contribution .

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:


don't bother .. i know exactly how your contribution will go regardless of what the topic is  ... you'll start with the usual we don't want these immigrants (despite you yourself being an immigrant), you'll come up with some crap about we being at war with Muslims, then you'll tell us how anyone who doesn't agree that all muslims are evil must be a leftie bleeding heart !


Did I miss anything? I think I covered it all.

For someone who is sick of this subject you seem toccome back quite a bit John.

Are Brussel's and Paris attacks done by tourists or terrorists?.

Aw, not you here again talking about MUSLIMS, John?

Sheesh. Some people.

In Kosovo & Chechnya they were/are terrorists.
In Syria some are, some aren't.
It's all about your perspective isn't it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:


Greg, you appear unhappy.
Unhappiness is an ego created emotional condition.
It is like there is external pollution that wrecks the environement and there is internal pollution That wrecks the brain.

This comes in the form of the leftard emotions

anger
anxiety
hatred
resentment
discontent
envy
jealousy


These emotions which so many elftards such as yourself and marla feel are not recognised as self created emotional states.

they are seen as totally justified and caused by someone else.

Your ego is saying that other people are triggering your "reactive' state of mind and your pain.

You are being "effected" by others who are at the 'cause'

To always be at the effect is to be leading a low consciousness life where you are not penetrating into the world.

Furthermore, your negative mindset merely is used a fuel to build your ego and seek seperateness from others .

you need to burn this negativity in the fire of conscious awareness and liberate yourself.

35,000 posts dedicated to building your ego .

Its like you need this fuel (and enjoy this condemnation) because your mind is calling for help

"please tell me that i exist"
"please tell me that i am not insignificant."


Meditation could help 

"What ever you do comes back to you".


Look At Your Home, Angel

Look at your home, angel,
and remove the spider web from your eyes
you will see soul-stirring sights
you will see the unfortunate and sick
you will see distress, death and misery
Look at your flock, angel,
only crippled and beggars
blind men wandering in a crowd
everybody’s spines broken
from you they expect salvation

Look at the rabble, angel,
their soul’s been cursed
they put reins on everyone
built shrines for themselves
their hands are bloody
Raise your sword, angel
remember the crusades
remember the jugulated
when you stand in front of God
may peace reign in your soul
Answer the prayers, angel
may the fiends drop dead, so help me God,
so be an angel of revenge
let them feel on their own skin
what poverty, fear and pain mean

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:24am:



now John, its easter....as i just said , reflect on conscious suffering and how it can take you to a higher realm of consciousness (reflect on Jesus perhaps).

This is why hard times, obstacles, failures, must be embraced and welcomed....the way of the superior man.

The cowardly men fleeing syria , fleeing their own country should "man up" and embrace the suffering, obstacles, pain and failure.
There should be no Jihad in europe, because the lefties in europe should administer "tough love" and tell them to stay there and learn some self respect and beat ISIS.

But the lefties dont think anyone should suffer (look at how they raise their children ).

the result is mediocre people with no sense of who they are because they have always been encouraged to run away from any problems. Run to mummy for help.

For all i know there is a "complaints thread" on this forum where cry babies can go with their cry baby narrative.

I better check .

It might be called "report members abuse here" and it probably has a lot of greg being a sook 

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

 

ah greg, time for you to go meditate and try to reach a higher level of consciousness then seeking the
validation /condemnation of the wonderful contributing members of Ozpolitic

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:04am:



the universe will always conspire to send you the lessons you need to learn at exactly the right time and place.

i was sent greg so as to learn patience and tolerance.

greg was sent me so as to learn "the way of the superior man"

“Just remember that self-discipline is not self-suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them as buried and unexpressed as possible. Self-discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, not through resistance, but through loving action grounded in understanding and compassion.”
― David Deida, The Way Of The Superior Man:

I like this headline by Rafeem Hassam in Breitbart:

"Enough with the teddy bears & tears. It's time to take our civilisation back."

He's got it in a nutshell.

It looks Europeans are getting pathetic and boring.

The brain can switch positions based on environment, Europe had 50 years of peace and bliss, this lulled the inhabitants into a false belief that they were living in some sort of utopian paradise, now the more that they are bombed and murdered the more brains will switch from the leftist narrative of lets hug our enemies to the more right minded thinking of lefts annihilate these c$%ts.

This can be seen in the rise of more Right minded parties in Europe, the people will now call on the Right to protect them because the left cannot, the left are appeasers, they do not know how to fight and they are not even capable of fighting, the right are the warriors.

But once the dust settles and peace reigns again people will gravitate back to a peace time environment of left leaning governments once again.

A great example of this is Britain in world war two, firstly they tried appeasement with Chamberlain but once war became inevitable they quickly switched to a war time PM in Churchill, and as soon as the war was won the people immediately switched back again to a more socialist government.

(Classified)

European Emergency Plan in case of Terrorist Attack
=======================================
1. Shed some tears
2. Create a new flag watermark on Facebook
3. Cry at the television
4. Light up important monuments with the appropriate flag colours.
5. Arrest anybody and claim that you have caught the perpetrator.
6. Wait for the next attack
7. Start again at 1.

March 26, 2016