tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23
rd, 2016 at 11:12am:
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23
rd, 2016 at 10:53am:
Peace be upon you tickle.
The trouble is multiculturalism needs to be a two way street and it isn't.
The western civilisation which has evolved out of the Judao-Christian ethic has attempted to put in place a diversity tolerance which just doesn't have any relevance for the cultures which emerged out of Islam,
Sure they will use it, live under it, but it will never be part of their guiding philosophy. It will be reciprocated only until they have sufficient influence - and that may be much much less than a majority - to demand that Islam prevail & Islamic values be implemented into law.
The west is very slow to realise this. Propagandists refer us back to Spain under Islam and the Greek/Balkan world under the Ottoman Empire and try to claim these were periods of harmony.
They were not. There was only harmony for non-muslims if they paid special taxes and if they hid their religion.
You are forgiven your ignorance tickle. Decades of misguided infantile progressivism have done a job on you.
Let me remind you that although Christianity had been very important in history of Western Civilization, it was really used by the ruling class to control the masses. If you look at just the history of England, e.g the times of Henry VIII. All the blood shed, the talks of Protestant, Vs Catholicism, all really boil down to political power struggle between the ruling elite.
I believe, our modern, free democratic society did not rise out of Christianity or religion, but rather through
advancement of society and human altruism. It started with the industrial revolution - prior to that over 90% of the population were serfs, farmers. With the change, bought about by advancement of science and technology, the society have to branch out, new jobs were created that required more skills. More skill meant people that were previously deprived of education, will have to get one in order for the country to remain competitive. Living standards began to rise. And with this, ushered an era of middle class. Its in these environment, where human Altruism can take root, and give rise to equality - first to the under class, then women, and then the minority and the disabled.
If you look at movements like Woman's suffrage - religion have very little to do with it, and in fact in certain circumstances work against it.
An interesting perspecive but possibly wrong.
society can advance , as you say, but go backwards in terms of higher consciousness.
Facebook, Mcdonalds, Junk TV, porn...these are the things many people latch onto in our advancing society, but i would doubt they are leading us to "human altruism and higher consciousness"
What will?
religions, believe it or not, DO contain the nugget of truth that can lead people to a higher conscious state and mindful living.
All religions point towards "spiritual enlightenment"
But it is a "truth which cannot be communicated" and this is where religions fail.
they try to teach these higher ideals and try to get people to attain this state IN THOUGHT.
Thought = ego.
Ego = lower consciousness.
Religions therefore, by not recognising this lead to bigger egos as people adopt the "i'm right and youre wrong narrative" and this is where all the problems come from.
Spiritual enlightenment can only be experienced .
It cannot be taught.
If you try to teach it, it is just another story to be attached to which strengthens the ego , strengthens the "you" as seperate and you get nowhere.
Religion as a belief system...just stories
Science as a belief system...just stories
Intellectualism as a belief system...just stories.
meditate, empty the mind of thought, deny the self (jesus taught this best) and the truth will arise.
But each person has to go on this journey by themselves.
facebook , the internet, science, the bible, the koran, a guru, cant give it to you.
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