Looks like the Libs are getting it right then.

Everyone knows there is only one way to deal with Islam. The problem is that many people don't want to admit it, because they are clinging to the old humanist idea that all cultures have the same values.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 6:22am:

tickleandrose - terrorism comes from the Koran.

Peace be upon you tickle.

The trouble is multiculturalism needs to be a two way street and it isn't.
The western civilisation which has evolved out of the Judao-Christian ethic has attempted to put in place a diversity tolerance which just doesn't have any relevance for the cultures which emerged out of Islam,
Sure they will use it, live under it, but it will never be part of their guiding philosophy. It will be reciprocated only until they have sufficient influence - and that may be much much less than a majority - to demand that Islam prevail & Islamic values be implemented into law.

The west is very slow to realise this. Propagandists refer us back to Spain under Islam and the Greek/Balkan world under the Ottoman Empire and try to claim these were periods of harmony.
They were not. There was only harmony for non-muslims if they paid special taxes and if they hid their religion.

You are forgiven your ignorance tickle. Decades of misguided infantile progressivism have done a job on you.

Gulag 'em all, process the lot.... only release those who are guaranteed 'rehabilitated'...

Governments in the West are running sh!t scared of appearing to be 'Fascists' by seeking the protection of their own people from those who have no wish to be a genuine and contributing part of those people.

Just a side question... is there anyone who actually imagines that these heroic jihadists would even attempt some of the crimes they commit - if they knew that every Belgian who went to a football game carried an AK for self-defence?

These assetholes think we are soft because we are civilised....  they need to see the full weight of the Law and of just retribution to learn the truth.... which is that in a real-scale war they would be dust in a day.....

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:53am:


Let me remind you that although Christianity had been very important in history of Western Civilization, it was really used by the ruling class to control the masses.   If you look at just the history of England, e.g the times of Henry VIII.  All the blood shed, the talks of Protestant,  Vs Catholicism, all really boil down to political power struggle between the ruling elite. 

I believe, our modern, free democratic society did not rise out of Christianity or religion, but rather through advancement of society and human altruism.   

It started with the industrial revolution - prior to that over 90% of the population were serfs, farmers.   With the change, bought about by advancement of science and technology, the society have to branch out, new jobs were created that required more skills.   More skill meant people that were previously deprived of education, will have to get one in order for the country to remain competitive.  Living standards began to rise.   And with this, ushered an era of middle class.   Its in these environment, where human Altruism can take root, and give rise to equality - first to the under class, then women, and then the minority and the disabled.   

If you look at movements like Woman's suffrage - religion have very little to do with it, and in fact in certain circumstances work against it.